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Insane how people are defending this just because it harms the Tories. Do labour supporters have no principles at all?
Yes, the principle is 'Labour governments are good, do things that make Labour governments more likely.'
Think about it: the message Sunak is trying this week is: 'voting Labour will lead to chaos'. Yet another Tory MP defecting totally undermines that argument, because it paints the Conservatives, not Labour, as being out of control. That's a win for Labour.
Secondly, what has Labour's message been since Sunak took power? It's been: 'Sunak is weak'. This makes him look weak. Another win.
Sunak is convinced banging on about small boats will save him. A Tory MP quitting because he hasn't stopped the boats undermines one of the few lines he thinks works. That leaves him with nothing to say, making him again look both out of control and weak.
The downside for Labour is that Natalie Elphicke is clearly a nutter. But, that doesn't detract from any of the above. Most people have never heard of her. She's only going to be a Labour MP for a few months. So, overall it's a win for Labour.
What's the point in a LABOUR government if the party is willing to take the support of people who are proudly anti-worker? What good will it do to be a government of tories with red ties?
People have said exactly this about every Labour government, right down to the cliche about the ties. And yet, somehow, despite being Tories, all those LABOUR goverments somehow did a whole load of very Labour things! Amazing!
Maybe you're right and I hope you are, but I can't trust a 'democratic socialist' party that repeatedly turns it's back on promises to workers and allows hard right sexual assault apologists into the party
Yeah she's horrible. None of that has anything to do with policy decisions. Her being a sexual assault apologist won't make labour worse, except by the very weird "painted by association" belief that you seem to have. She's going to be an advisor not a policy maker, not a decision maker. She's going to have to work for Angela Raynor which will be hilarious.
She's not anti-worker she's pro-worker. She's a complete nutcase but she's not actually against British people like some of the Tories. They seem to think that anyone with less than six figures in their bank account should be ignored, she seems to care about British people. As long as you're not too different you're okay in her eyes.
She deserves a slightly less bad circle of hell.
My point is if you're going to criticize her, and there's a lot to criticize her about, at least criticize her actual beliefs rather than just making things up that aren't true.