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As Russia Advances, NATO Considers Sending Trainers Into Ukraine (www.nytimes.com)

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NATO allies are inching closer to sending troops into Ukraine to train Ukrainian forces, a move that would be another blurring of a previous red line and could draw the United States and Europe more directly into the war.

Ukraine’s manpower shortage has reached a critical point, and its position on the battlefield in recent weeks has seriously worsened as Russia has accelerated its advances to take advantage of delays in shipments of American weapons. As a result, Ukrainian officials have asked their American and NATO counterparts to help train 150,000 new recruits closer to the front line for faster deployment.

So far the United States has said no, but Gen. Charles Q. Brown Jr., the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, said on Thursday that a NATO deployment of trainers appeared inevitable. “We’ll get there eventually, over time,” he said.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (2 children)

Care to elaborate? Who is violating the Budapest ~~accords~~ memorandum in your view?

[–] [email protected] 28 points 6 months ago (4 children)

That would be Russia, is my guess:

The memoranda, signed in Patria Hall at the Budapest Convention Center with US Ambassador Donald M. Blinken amongst others in attendance, prohibited Russia, the United States and the United Kingdom from threatening or using military force or economic coercion against Ukraine, Belarus, and Kazakhstan, "except in self-defence or otherwise in accordance with the Charter of the United Nations." As a result of other agreements and the memorandum, between 1993 and 1996, Belarus, Kazakhstan and Ukraine gave up their nuclear weapons.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 months ago

Sorry, 90s. I stand happily corrected.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

The most frightening implication of the total abrogation of the Budapest Memorandum is that it’s basically entirely killed the idea of nuclear non-proliferation due to two huge points:

Going forward, nobody is going to believe any “guarantees of territorial integrity and sovereignty” underwritten by Russia (obviously), the US, or the UK, in the context of a one-time exchange for nuclear disarmament
The obvious corollary to the total abrogation of the Budapest Memorandum by the parties underwriting said sovereignty and security is that nuclear weapons have essentially been confirmed as the absolute final word in guaranteeing a country’s territorial integrity and sovereignty. Nobody will invade your country if one of the consequences is “we will start glassing your cities”. We are going to see a HUGE resurgence in nuclear weapon development programs worldwide in the coming decades as a direct result of this myopic idiocy.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago

Ok wtf. How are you supposed to even enforce that, nevermind that there seems to be no enforcement mechanism for anything in the treaty, but economic coercion is just an inherent part of relations under capitalism.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 6 months ago (1 children)

95% of people who cite the Budapest Memorandum have no idea what it actually says.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 6 months ago

Well, some of them do, but are trying to actively misinform others on the topic.