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TenForward: Where Every Vulcan Knows Your Name

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[–] [email protected] 49 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Personification that changed the original concept for the sake of the story.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 months ago (1 children)

More importantly, it's just a comic.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Yes, but it works best with the original BORG concept, before they introduced the queen.
The BORG was originally described as a collective, and a collective doesn't have rulers like a queen.
So I must admit I was a bit disappointed in the introduction of a BORG queen.
Still the BORG remain a very cool part of Star Trek.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (3 children)

Do we even know: does the Borg queen truly control the collective, or is she rather a manifestation of something still more deeply hidden?

Perhaps at the core of the core, it really is a collective? I suppose this ~~like~~ (edit: level) of argumentation is useless, like that thought experiment of glass mountains on the moon, but still I wonder.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 months ago (1 children)

It depends on who's writing the episode. In First Contact she was implied to be an avatar of the Collective rather than an individual that controls it. Or possibly a gestalt consciousness formed as a byproduct of the Collective's structure of interlinking minds. The VOY writers didn't really get it, though, so she became a true individual on that show and in her future appearances.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago

Blah blah it's a special case done b/c of the time travel blah - maybe something along those lines? :-)

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 months ago

In First Contact, when she died, all of the regular Borg immediately dropped dead.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Each drone is a brain-cell of the collective brain, the Queen is the personality that eventually formed.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Still sucks, Borg were better as unpersonal

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago

In order to interact with other groups they evolved a figure head

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago

Oh... that's very interesting. Is that from the lore? Was it on purpose? It doesn't matter bc either way it's fascinating to think about how the "corruption" of the original purpose lead to the masses being controlled by a central figure with absolute authority.

Or another way to say that is that their society itself evolved and adapted to face their external circumstances, but anyway somehow it always ends up with an elite cadre of illuminati-like figures on top, and everyone else is just an entirely disposable peon.

Which makes me wonder now about whether the ocean of changelings themselves has things like "rulers".