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From Matt Christman of the podcast:
I remember this stream and watching it live and was like finally somebody said it. Finally somebody crystallized it. They are given the option and choose murder. And it won't happen overnight. You'll just wake up one day and you will find out the "yes, murder" people outnumber the "no, what the fuck, how did you already conclude murder is okay?" Like it got escalated while you were asleep. And these goofy people are the first to try. And they're stupid and they will fail. But they'll keep trying. It's bone chilling.
To be fair, Marxist theorists have been saying similar for quite some time. From Samir Amin's Eurocentrism:
That's such a great quote. I'd emphasize this part instead, though.
We can apply this to modernity or the Islamic conquests or the crusades or fucking Rome or all these versions of people that tried to "enlighten" other people by stabbing them to death. This is all part of them trying to force the world to make sense. It's just death. You are trying to solve the equation of life and you found this "cheat code" called death. You can dress it up in all the pretty colors but thats really what's going on. That's the actual finality going on here. Living with other people who are different can be difficult. It can upset the balance. But I got a knife or a rock or whatever and I can make the problem go away
And that is the fundamental flaw. They don't want things to be "un pretty" but their solution is killing people which is the messiest thing. Moving a body takes so much work. Like even if you accept the premise of fascism they are doing it the wrong way. There is a mechanical rebuke of them that goes beyond the appeals to emotion that normally could be used to condemn them. They're doing bad things and they aren't doing them well.
This is actually addressed in the earlier chapters of the book in which Amin analyses the Abrahamic religions of Judaism, Islam and Christianity from a Marxist perspective. How these religions deal with concepts such as modernity, universalism and the question of time. The analysis of Christianity and how that became the dominant religion in Europe at the dawn of "modernity" is very interesting, and one I hadn't heard before. I'll try find it now.
That sounds super interesting and if you can find a pdf I'd really appreciate it. There is a lot of stuff written about holy wars that is either too permissive or too condemnatory. Like you get all these pop history books that are either too forgiving or they do the "new atheist" shit that just is another way of trying not to understand the thing you are condemning. Marxist history is the only one worth pursuing. Edit: especially when it comes to things like holy wars
I just posted the section in another reply. It's not really about the holy wars, but about Christianity as a whole and how it breaks from Judaism in key areas.
Here's the link on libgen to the full book
Thank you! I'll dive into this on my next day off
The section of Eurocentrism referencing Christianity I talked about earlier
:This is great
I found the chapters on the three Abrahamic religions to be very insightful. Marxism, metaphysics and religion surprisingly working well together. I think I've linked a copy of the full book somewhere else in this thread if you you want to read it.
Here's the link on libgen to the full book
Thank you. This is definitely getting added to the list.
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I don't even listen to the podcast, I was only made aware of this quote because a South African journalist I follow on Twitter reposted it and appears to be a fan of the podcast.
But yes, a lot of his rants and quotes are very good.
Hell of Presidents was soooo good imo
Hell on Earth was good too but my relative lack of familiarity and the sheer scale and number of historical figures made it tough for me to keep straight