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Because you now did it to yourself.

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[–] [email protected] 166 points 2 weeks ago (6 children)

It doesn't matter.

Europeans know the history of fascism much, much better than Americans do and they're electing right-wing leaders too.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

There's "knowing" on a theoretical level, and knowing having experienced it. As the generational knowledge of people that have experienced fascism dies off the younger generations have to learn the hard way. Seems to happen every 100 or so years.

The idea of "European exceptionalism" is no different than the idea of "American exceptionalism". People are fundamentally the same regardless of where they live -- we all have the same base instincts, the same hard-coded tribalistic tendencies, and the same fears. Every population on the planet is susceptible to fascism because it preys on the aforementioned.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 weeks ago

The idea of “European exceptionalism” is no different than the idea of “American exceptionalism”.

I'm European and I subscribe more to American exceptionalism than European exceptionalism.

I mean the US has exceptionally awesome landscapes and national parks, exceptionally friendly and polite people and uh... Yeah, exceptionally nasty politics, that's the one. That's the one I hate.

It's a country with so much potential, and most of it is spent bickering instead of building a better future for everyone. Which they damn well could afford with their GDP per capita.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 weeks ago

Afd had a huge young voter base in the recent german elections.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 weeks ago

i'd argue that there's knowing how things were and there's an undertanding of it. i went through the higher tier of the segregating west german school system under the supervision of very humanist engaged teachers. and yet that system was far from being able to deliver the second.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Which is always a very scary part. Especially over here, people should know better as they have first-hand experience (as a society at least). Seems it's too far past already or something. 😔

[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 weeks ago

I think a large part of the problem is that they don't actually have first-hand experience anymore. Almost everyone who lived through WWII is dead now and humanity seems to be incapable of learning from other people's mistakes.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago

It's almost like capitalism isn't a stable way to structure human civilization or something.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 weeks ago

Unrelated, but I read "Definitely true for Gamers" twice. I was so confused.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 weeks ago

They know the history and they regret who won

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Notably, even European countries which have much better social safety nets than the US are seeing rising fascism support. Ergo, you can't even really blame capitalism although it certainly contributed to the problem.

[–] AI_toothbrush 1 points 2 weeks ago

At least here they actually say they are fascists and nazis. In the us they basically voted on a clown.