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Hexbear Proposals chapo.chat matrix room.

This will be a place for site proposals and discussion before implementation on the site.
Every proposal will also be mirrored into a pinned post on the hexbear community.

Any other ideas for helping to integrate the two spaces are welcome to be commented here or messaged to me directly.

Within Hexbear Proposals you can see the history of all site proposals and react to them, indicating a vote for or against a proposal.

Sending messages will be restricted to verified and active hexbear accounts older than 1 month with their matrix id in their hexbear user profile.

All top level messages within the channel must be a Proposals (idea for changing the site), Feedback (regarding non-technical aspects of the site, for technical please use https://hexbear.net/c/feedback), or Appeals (regarding admin/moderator actions).

Discussion regarding these will be within nested threads under the post.

To gain matrix verification, all you need to do is navigate to my hexbear userprofile and click the send a secure private message including your hexbear username.

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"Imperialism leaves behind germs of rot which we must clinically detect and uproot from our land but from our minds as well." - Frantz Fanon

Hello users of Hexbear, the intent of this announcement is two-fold the first is that we would like to do another community moderator drive, if you have a community idea or want to help an existing one then please send an application either through hexbear or matrix direct message.

The call for new mods is crucial to our efforts to reduce racism and misogyny on the site, we need users to report and enough mods to be able to quickly act on the reports throughout the day and night. Also, CW or content warnings are essential to the safe browsing of Hexbear.

In addition, comments or posts removed for racist or misogyny will also be accompanied by escalating temporary bans. Upvotes will not be the single reason for a ban, however they may be used in conjunction with other posts/comments/upvotes. Consider this post the warning, however, mods are encouraged to reach out to hexbear users before a long duration ban.

The second is to increase transparency with regard to the site while not repeating the mistakes of previous attempts that were ultimately counterproductive, in part due to wreckers.

Previous attempts to increase site transparency and user participation were targeted by wreckers through increasing the intensity and frequency of struggle session drama.

Using matrix's increased level of user permissions as an anti-wrecking measure while having an increased barrier to sending messages with a clear process to gaining the ability to send messages, we hope to mitigate wrecking attempts.

Leading to the creation of the Hexbear Proposals chapo.chat matrix room.

This will be a place for site proposals and discussion before implementation on the site.
Every proposal will also be mirrored into a pinned post on the hexbear community. Any other ideas for helping to integrate the two spaces are welcome to be commented here or messaged to me directly.

Within Hexbear Proposals you can see the history of all site proposals and react to them, indicating a vote for or against a proposal.

Sending messages will be restricted to verified and active hexbear accounts older than 1 month with their matrix id in their hexbear user profile.

All top level messages within the channel must be a Proposals (idea for changing the site), Feedback (regarding non-technical aspects of the site, for technical please use https://hexbear.net/c/feedback), or Appeals (regarding admin/moderator actions).

Discussion regarding these will be within nested threads under the post.

To gain matrix verification, all you need to do is navigate to my hexbear userprofile and click the send a secure private message including your hexbear username.

In closing, I want to state that this site would not exist without the volunteer labor of the moderators, who I am deeply grateful for.

I would also like to take this moment to remind people that lemmy direct messages are not encrypted, and finally please use this post to discuss these changes, share community ideas, or express interest in moderation.

Application

What is your Hexbear username?

Do you have any preferred pronouns?

What are your thoughts on capitalism?

What are your thoughts on imperialism?

What are your thoughts on trans rights?

What are your thoughts on racial justice?

What do think about current and previous protests around the world?

What are your thoughts on Veganism and Animal Liberation?

Do you have any experience with other leftist online communities?

What did those experiences teach you?

What is your approach to moderation, and how do you work with teams?

How do you deal with online drama and people who try to start things for the sake of it?

What current comms would you be interested in moderating?

Do you have any ideas for community engagement?

What is your general time availability? (Time zone, amounts, common browsing times, etc)

Element informationElement is a messaging app that lets you talk to people over the Matrix protocol.

To get started, check out this link, where you can choose to either download Element for your platform or, if on a computer, open it in a browser.

The instructions that follow are for the desktop application and the web application, but the process is similar on all apps:

Press "Create Account"

We host our own Matrix server, so if you want you can change matrix.org to chapo.chat.

This is completely optional; users who sign up with a matrix.org username can still talk to people with chapo.chat username.

(Note: It is chapo.chat, not hexbear.net. Also, registrations aren't always open on chapo.chat; if they're not, just create an account on matrix.org)

Fill in a username and password

Hit register, and you're done!

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[–] [email protected] 51 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (2 children)

Thank you for your response. I do think it's one thing to look into upvotes to check if it's just new accounts that are upvoting something reactionary, but quite another to be disciplining users in otherwise good standing for an upbear. I think it's better to just delete the post and accept without policing that some people upvoted it.

I would add that adding transparency is good, but quite different from a democratic process. For example with this decision to be monitoring people's voting behavior, in other comments you have been quite transparent about your intention to continue doing so which doesn't really feel much better than you doing it in private - either way it seems like you have already made up your minds to continue doing it. Being transparent and permitting discussion without any sense that you might ever alter behavior based on user feedback doesn't feel like much an improvement to me but I guess that's just me this isn't a hill I'm interested in dying on.

this site has never prioritized growth or user count.

I'd also want to remind you that the mod team is not the site. That may indeed be true for the mod team, but I've been here since day one and there are many users on the site who do indeed prioritize growth, myself included. That doesn't mean I prioritize it above anything else, but I do think this is a good positive community and want to to thrive and at least have a consistent replacement of good comrades as people naturally move on.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 6 days ago

GOOD POST

Especially about transparency not being the same as democracy and creating a "free speech zone" not being the same thing as actually taking community opinion in to account when making important changes.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Personal opinion, but I think a lot of people (as well as this site in general) need to expand beyond this site- as in, this would go regardless, no one (not even the mods/etc) should have this as their one source of socializing/human interaction (probably).

I don't think I'd say I prioritize growth, but I think it would be nice if this site could be a space from which people could expand outwards and develop their own circles (which if it fit their priorities/preferences, would prioritize growth). Things like the recent webfishing groups, tracha, hexcraft (still need to check it out myself), the movie-watching stuff, etc. all would be such examples. The world is big enough for infinite social circles that harmonize with one another (ideally, realistically this doesn't always happen but it absolutely can and usually does, people just don't look at the successes which are a daily part of life for pretty much almost everyone).

Not entirely sure where I'm going from this, but having a discussion about what Hexbear's priorities are would probably be a good idea. And then also having a discussion about how to create- if not on Hexbear, adjacent to and maybe mutually benefiting from it- other spaces with other priorities would probably also be cool.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 6 days ago

no one (not even the mods/etc) should have this as their one source of socializing/human interaction (probably).

No one should but many of us live in places where we cannot talk openly about our beliefs, and many of us have to very carefully hide our identities to avoid violence. This is an almost uniquely safe space on the internet. I'm not aware of any other spaces like it.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I think whether the site withers of flourishes is completely orthogonal to the question of having diverse social circles.

I organize in real life with real people, and I have a rich, diverse and nourishing social circle. That has literally nothing to do with whether it's good that this site gets more engaged and active users.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Agreed, though FWIW flourishing is also a matter of preference. Quality vs. quantity and all that. Not sure if I'd say the site has the best mix of it now or not, but it's probably better than anywhere else other than Lemmygrad in my opinion, while also having the added benefit of being more active/shitposty/etc than the grad.

Do we want more engaged and active users if they're coming from- I dunno, lemm.ee, or lemmy.world, for instance? I don't think anyone here would want that, or rather there's a reason we're all on here. It's something to be discussed, definitely, but whatever it is will have to be a balancing act of such conflicting interests, sadly.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Do we want more engaged and active users if they’re coming from- I dunno, lemm.ee for instance? I don’t think anyone here would want that

[–] [email protected] 16 points 6 days ago

(looking even just briefly at your profile) not you, you're one of the good ones.... Care-Comrade meow-hug we love you.

You're an honorary or a full (certainly in spirit) Hexbearer or Lemmygradian IMO. catgirl-salute

[–] [email protected] 20 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I dont think Lemmygrad is better. Too slow to be as entertaining, and not enough effort posts to bridge that gap. Engagement matters, but we also don't have to follow to VC capital oriented norm of fostering engagement.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

A huge part of what makes Hexbear work is the very high level of engagement from users. We didn't have VC funding, we had an ethos of "ALL POSTING IS GOOD POSTING" that strongly encouraged users to set aside ideas of "good posts" vs "bad posts" and just post. A lot of people don't interact on internet forums because they're afraid of judgement, insults, or harassment. The "all posting is good posting" thing promoted just posting whatever inane shit knowing that it would get upvotes no matter what, which greatly reduced the barrier to participation. And that directly lead to the enormous posting power that made us an annoyance for reddit and led to this place having more posting power than the rest of the Lemmyverse combined.

I hadn't really thought about this in years, but all those "DAE piss and fard?!" posts are a legacy of "all posting is good posting" and encouraging members to just post something rather than restrict themselves to effort posts, or even being on topic. It keeps things moving and staves off the fatal stagnation that can set in to small insular communities over time as power posters drop off and are not replaced.