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Attacks on two DTEK solar farms last spring is a good example. They destroyed many solar panels and some of the transformers, which step up voltage for long distances or step it down for use in homes. Replacing the transformers and swapping out destroyed panels allowed the farms, which generate 400 megawatts, to be back up in seven days.

Timchenko said an attack on a thermal generating station, which experienced a similar amount of damage, took three to four months to rebuild.

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[–] [email protected] 155 points 5 days ago (6 children)

Decentralizing energy is the best defense. Solar panels belong on roofs and parking lots. Backup batteries belong in neighborhoods. That way when the power plant is down or the lines are cut off, there’s still local power available.

[–] [email protected] 68 points 5 days ago

Military justification for an expensive national energy project?
horny government contractor noises

[–] shortwavesurfer 34 points 5 days ago (1 children)

It's true, the more decentralized the energy infrastructure, the harder it is to remove or be damaged.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 5 days ago

Become an American patriot, secure our borders with decentralised power generation, on your roof, on your own terms!

[–] [email protected] 28 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

This. Read about Obama era PACE financing to achieve this goal.

Edit. Fuck republicans for nuking PACE funding.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Exactly!! Though I don't understand why so many country's and civilians are opposed to clean decentralised power generation such as solar, wind, thermal.

The fact that you get to generate your own "free" power, and its less likely to fail in times of natural disaster.

Its essentially "freedom" & "sticking it to the man" in one clean package. Its not what the media or propaganda calls "the green agenda".

The fact that it also has applications in better national security is a win win.

Decentralised power generation makes you a american patriot! No a green hippy.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 days ago (2 children)

In fairness, my understanding is that there are a lot of complications with adding distributed power to existing grids. That doesn't mean it shouldn't happen, just that there are engineering and safety challenges when power is coming from "everywhere" vs centrally.

And of course, there's a lot of energy companies lobbying against clean power sources as well.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 days ago

I hear that quite a bit of the power infrastructure in the US is well past its life expectancy with more coming due for replacement over time. If anything, a national energy plan should account for replacing, upgrading and modernizing a lot of the existing electrical infrastructure since its so critical to the foundation of our current society

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 days ago (1 children)

This, and the fact that solar and wind are intermittent so you always need a baseline provider, you can't do it with "green energy" alone.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 days ago

Local and grid level storage can and should be included, but base-level nuclear is also good.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Yeah but wind power plants are ugly here instead of even uglier somewhere else that's NIMBY (Not In My Back Yard).

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 days ago (1 children)

In agree there are always those few in a community that feel the need to fight everything, even it may be in their best interest and the best interest of the community as a whole.

Anecdotally, I used to live in a rural suburban neighbourhood, the type where homes have large yards between them. There was a proposal to finally put in sidewalks along the residential streets in front of the homes, by narrowing the street a little. This would allows children to walk safely to the new school built, and allow people in the neighbourhood to go on walks, or walk their dogs safely.

Anyways, the amount of push back from some residents saying it will ruin the character of the neighbourhood, or that it would remove vital street parking, or shrink their driveways.

The neighbourhood street was about 4.5 cars wide.

In the end the sidewalks got put in after someone (that did not live in the area), ran over a residents dog along the street.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 days ago

it will ruin the character of the neighbourhood

"Boy, I sure love the sound and smell of cars! Imagine if people walked quietly instead, that would be awful - who would I yell at for speeding?"

after someone [...] ran over a residents dog along the street.

Why does it seem like safety measures only ever get approved after someone died?

(Visibility bias, probably - a death is just a lot more noticeable than a "would have died in an alternative timeline but didn't because..." - but that doesn't make such deaths any less tragic)

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 days ago

Meanwhile, people are raising hell when grid battery installations are announced. So much so that the instructions are then cancelled.

So stupid

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Ignoring transmission losses, which could be improved as well, the whole USA could be solar powered by a very tiny fraction of the deserts it has.

But that'd be a huge target to attack if it was all in one spot.

Much better to decentralize it