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[–] [email protected] 39 points 4 days ago (5 children)

Reminder that World War 2 had a gradual unfolding of declarations of war across several months or longer, depending on how you want to fuck that pig. I think we're already in the onset of WWIII, in some sense.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 4 days ago (2 children)

The thing is, if NATO is worth anything at all. Hitting a NATO country would bring a lot of declarations in a very short order. It would get very WW3, very quickly.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 4 days ago

Same way you go bankrupt; slowly, and then all at once.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 days ago (4 children)

That's assuming Europe wasn't economically stretched already, and America didn't have an incoming president who wasn't more interested in fellating Putin.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 days ago

Europe isn't nearly so financially stretched as Russia, and its economy is an order of magnitude bigger.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Even if there's financial concerns in Europe. We DO have reasonably strong airforces, modern weaponry and several nuclear enabled countries. I think it would be a big risk to take in their current position.

My main concern is Trump tries to coerce Europe to leave Ukraine to fight alone. It all depends on how much in Putin's pocket he is.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 3 days ago

He's so far in Putin's pocket that he's snuggling up to his nutsack.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 days ago

Europe hasn't even started stretching. The fact it refuses to is the reason it looks stretched.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 days ago

and America didn't have an incoming president who wasn't more interested in fellating Putin.

That is a bit of a wildcard, isn't it.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (2 children)

That's terrifying because WW3 risks the use of nuclear weapons and every model of nuclear exchange that has been run always escalates to mutual assured destruction with billions dead and the end of civilization.

I just finished listening to the audiobook of Nuclear War: A scenario by Annie Jacobsen. Highly recommend it.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Civilization's kinda shit anyway. We had a ~~good~~ run.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 days ago

gg guys, see you all next millennium.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 4 days ago

The real slippery slopes are graded much less steeply than you'd expect

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I'm not sure we're on a path to WWIII if it's Russia vs everyone else. If China decides to get involved then maybe but I don't see any evidence they're willing to throw in with Putin, same with Iran.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 3 days ago (1 children)

There's a 100% chance that Trump will send troops to Iran in the next year.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 days ago (1 children)

No there's not. Where are you getting this absolute certainty from?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Trump's relationship with Netanyahu and the relationship between Israel and Iran.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 days ago (1 children)

That doesn't necessarily equate to there being a 100% certainty of boots on the ground in Iran though, does it?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

The Israeli government pushed for "judicial reform" last year prior to the war with Palestine. People were saying that they were doing it in order to go into Palestine and then the big attack by Hamas happened and gave them an excuse. Tensions with Iran and Israel have escalated when Israel assassinated a Hamas leader in Iran over the summer and Iran responded with missile attacks on Israel. I believe that after Trump takes office there will be something that happens that will be "the last straw." Maybe it will be "WMDs", hiding Hamas leaders, or some big attack by Iran. It's going to happen.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 days ago

I'm still not sure why you're so certain about this. You're speculating that something might happen and yet you said that there's a "100%" chance of US boots on the ground in Iran.

As awful as Trump is, his first term wasn't nearly as hawkish at that of other republican presidents.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 days ago

Are we in the Spanish Civil War type pre-phase of WWII?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

This is what I have been saying too. I think we will look back on this time and refer to it as the start of ww3.

Also technology is completely different than it ever has been. Like there was not a big tome or tech difference between ww1 and ww2. So a modern world war would look completely different making it difficult to identify.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 days ago

So far it's been lots more grenade drones and cyber warfare than you got in the 20th century. Asymmetry is the name of the game, aside from urban positional fighting and more traditional focus on logistics and supply lines.