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I guess not strictly news - but with all of the vitriol I have seen in discussions on the Israel situation, that have boiled down to arguments over wording, I feel that this take from the BBC is worthy of some discussion.

Mods, feel free to remove if this is not newsy enough.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I’m not sure I’d call Israel a terrorist state, but absolutely an apartheid state. [...] Israel can not claim to be a democracy, because they refuse to give Palestinians a voice in government at all.

There are two million Arab citizens of Israel, the vast majority of whom are Muslim. They vote. There are Arab Muslims in the Knesset.

This is a somewhat different situation from that of blacks in apartheid South Africa, who were denied civil rights on the basis of their race and ancestry.

I'm not saying Israeli society treats Arab Israeli citizens fairly or that there isn't social discrimination. I haven't been there; and from all reports there certainly is. But I think you're exaggerating ... or else understating how bad "actual" (South African) apartheid was.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

"Arab citizens of Israel" =/= Palestinians.

Given that Israelis can, and do, burn out Palestinians in the occupied areas in order to seize their land, and Israeli authorities do nothing, and even help the arsonists, I don't think that I'm overstating that. Moreover, the Arab voices in the Knesset are a minuscule minority; I think it's something like a total of 5 seats, while Likud and their far-right allies have 63 seats.