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"Along with the very real and violent war on the ground – there is also a fierce information war. Like Tuesday’s explosion at the Gaza hospital which Hamas says killed hundreds of people.

Israel says it was a misfired Islamic Jihad rocket, which they deny. Hamas says it was an Israeli airstrike, which they deny.

But tonight Forensic Architecture, Earshot and the Ramallah based NGO Al Haq have shared new information with Channel 4 News they say casts doubt on some aspects of Israel’s account."

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[–] [email protected] 41 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Doppler analysis is a really good approach. Assuming there are no glaring errors in the analysis: Israel is lying, it absolutely did not come from where they claim. It came from.... the direction of Israel.

But perhaps physics is just antisemitic now who knows

[–] [email protected] 57 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

As a Jew who passed physics, I can tell you that it is not antisemitic. Nor is it to say "fuck PeePee Netanyahu's campaign of destruction and misinformation." Saying all Israelis are bad isn't antisemitic, but it's not correct. Saying that you dislike Israel because it has too many Jews is both antisemitic and valid, oddly enough. Saying you hate all Jews is antisemitic.

Anyway, most of the people telling you that not supporting Israel is antisemitic are, in fact, actual antisemites. They're the same people who say that it's actually racist to call someone a racist.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

That comment really made me think, thank you! The only part where I’m still stuck is the sentence “…most of the people telling you that not supporting Israel is antisemetic are, in fact, antisemites.” I can understand why their statement is incorrect at face value. But I haven’t quite untangled why they would be antisemites for making that statement. Would you please clarify that part for me?

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The quite is about correlation, not causation.

Antisemitic people tend to think that Isreal and all Jewish people do everything in lockstep because their antisemitic views include the "Jews controlling the world" myth. To them Isreal = Jews and therefore criticizing Isreal is the same thing as criticizing all Jewish people amd they want to play 'gotcha' based on that.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

I don't think the statement makes them anti-semitic, they just happen to be anti-semitic and use calling other people anti-semitic for anti-Israeli sentiments as a cover for their own racism.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

There is a lot to unpack in your comment.

But good food for thought.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago

Now they have the right to defend themselves from physics.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Not disputing what you are saying but do you have a link to such an analysis?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This story is about it, I haven't seen it myself! I would like to though, I did the same thing once in a radio astronomy context

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Fair enough.

I'm pretty bemused at people taking the "independent" review of the missile strike by the Pentagon at face value.

I'm sorry, where are the weapons of mass destruction again?