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Zelenskyy straight-up said Ukraine is going to lose if Congress doesn't send more aid
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this post was submitted on 08 Apr 2024
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The hard truth is it doesn't matter how much aid we send, Ukraine is in a losing position. They need more than aid to win and that's the problem
The war could have ended if we gave Ukraine all the weapons it needed. We just gave them enough, not to win, but rather, not to lose in fear russian escalation (whatever that means). Russia has declared it's at war with NATO and we're just pussyfooting around and not taking it seriously.
Yep the problem is that people don't play enough Age of Empires. Basically the worst thing you can do in that game is to send a knight to the enemy's base, wait a bit, then send another knight, wait, send next one, ... etc. One by one each of the knights dies without achieving anything because he will be massively outnumbered. The correct thing to do is to muster a group of the knights and then send them all at once. That way you will have the advantage and have an actual chance of winning.
Going back to the real world Ukraine "The West" is almost comically stupid. They are arguing over how much help should be sent to Ukraine and always sending just enough to get by but not enough to give Ukraine an advantage. Instead of spending a lot of money during a short period of time to actually get some results, "The West" decided to slowly throw away money in the infinite pit of frozen conflict.
The way I, the self proclaimed internet war expert, see it, there are 3 possible solutions for "The West" to the Ukraine problem.
Decide to send a lot of money to flip the tides. (that won't happen)
Decide that they aren't stupid to feed an endless war and decide to exchange half of Ukraine's territory for Ukraine's membership in NATO. Kinda crap but honestly better than the 3rd option.
A nothing burger. AKA doing what they are doing right now. The optimistic vision is that over the next decade "The West" will get rich enough that even with these small scraps here and there Ukraine will be able to win in the end. The realistic one is that the scraps won't be enough and Ukraine will slowly but surely lose territory, ending with some kind of crap treaty including Ukraine both losing a lot of territory and not being in NATO. "a lose-lose"
Ukraine is in a bad position. They're currently being out produced, out funded, out maneuvered, and out manned. The time for an offensive was before the Russians dug in. I don't know what Ukraine can do now outside of direct foreign confrontation and engagement. But that won't happen until Ukraine is essentially lost, if it does happen at all.
imo the time for offensive was never. The offensive should happen "naturally". If they had enough resources, they would be slowly pushing Russia back just like they are being pushed back currently. The whole "spring offensive" was just as dumb as Russian plan to conquer Kiev in 5 days or whatever insanity they had in mind.
Agreed, but staging operations to open up an offensive haven't been going well either. There's been some success with downing some jets and ships but it's not nearly enough to punch big enough holes in the Russian defenses. The kerch bridge would be a fantastic win if Ukraine can get anywhere near it.
That comes down to the "they are being out-everything" from your earlier comment. Europe needs to start spending much more money on the war, but that wouldn't be popular amongst the Europeans and therefore won't happen, sadly.
No it couldn't have and it's sad you're going to go through life thinking otherwise.
Let me say this louder for the people in the back: Ukraine has no chance of winning without foreign troops on the ground.
The most likely best case scenario is a frozen conflict. But Zelensky doesn't want this because such an outcome would call into question everything he did politically up to now. As for Putin, I'm not sure.
I think there's a widespread implicit hope among Western policy makers that if they keep propping Ukraine up, and get Ukrainians to hold out long enough, Russia will suffer a sudden internal collapse and be forced to withdraw. That may be, but it seems equally (more?) probable that Ukraine will be the one that suffers a collapse.
Ukrainians want to defend their homes. Zelensky has support to continue fighting off the invasion.
I hope so, they're in it for the long haul. The Vietnamese basically sacrificed two generations to beat back the US; Ukraine will need a similar level of long term commitment. The recent wobbling over mobilization is not a good sign in this respect.
There are no frozen conflicts with Russia.
Yes, it's a hard truth and those indoctrinated by propaganda refuse to realize it.
Anyone who acknowledges reality in this situation is a 'tankie'. That's how bad the tribalism has gotten among these idiots.
Nah, its the sucking Russia off that makes you a Tankie
Well, it is either sending Ukraine some weapons, or WW3.
I'd go with the former.
No it's not and I feel sorry for you if you believe that without any doubt.
What other option is there?
Let Ukraine loose its sovereignty? To let them be absorbed into a country they want no part of?
That would just feed the insatiable hunger of Putin, and they would perform yet an other "military training exercise" in the next country. And then the next until there is nothing left than to attack NATO countries, which brings us back to to my second outcome.
The only peaceful option can only be chosen by Putin, by just pulling their invasion forces out. Anything we throw at them is self inflicted at this point.