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As much as I abhor the state and wish we live like the state of Cheran (ironic of me to say state in this case, I know), anarchy will only work in a very small group, where everyone knows each other, are like-minded enough to not abuse each other's goodwill, and respect each other's personal boundaries.
So have a lot of small groups
Free trade and mutual cooperation between collectives, I thought this was considered the standard anarchic model?
Yes, our massive population and current way of life are not natural tendencies of our species, they are organizational forms put into place by rulers for more effecient exploitation.
And then what stops one small group from slowly becoming a giant group again?
People and ideology.
In other words, literally nothing.
the same 'literally nothing' that currently stops us from ending starvation, poverty, homelessness, war…
people and ideology create the institutions which (re)produce and enforce a status quo. this is not inherently bad, and it would not be significantly different under any other 'system'. we are all the state so long as we do nothing different.
Like...? I really miss the point. Do you mean villages or genocide?
how could what they wrote mean genocide?
It's one way to ensure there's only a small group of people, same as suicide is the most reliable way to get rid of hiccups.
I didn't say a small group, i said lots of small groups
That's just lots of geno's for the cideing.
If you want to genocide them, thats on you
Definitely not genocide. Not sure if villages is the exact way to say it, but it's a lot closer lol
Holy shit guys he solved the whole problem. Where should we send the check to?
Obviously does not solve the whole problem. Imo, smaller, self-governing groups are better able to apply democratic policies, as there are not likely to be as many different ideas within the group.
As for the check, you can send it to my balls
I also wonder what happens as new generations start to become prominent, they might not have the same ideals as their parents and either move away or change the dynamics of the group.
Yeah, that's not my favorite. I don't really want to rely on people or be part of a close community like that. And I really like having personal property. I probably contribute the bare minimum to society outside of my taxes. Not part of any organizations, don't give to charity. Definitely don't give to the homeless. Don't volunteer. I just want to work and come home to my house with my family and all my stuff. I'd make a terrible anarchist.
Why do you mention personal property? Anarchism and communism still allow ownership of personal property, but collective ownership of the means of production such as factories and schools. You could do everything you do now in a socialist or anarchist society.
What's the alternative that works?
That's what we're all trying to figure out.