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[–] [email protected] 49 points 3 months ago

"See! You voted for the left, but they don't solve your problems because we won't let them!"

One of the most popular strategies in Europe... Followed by total confusion when neither that 'ineffective' left nor the obstructionist center to center right gets votes anymore and the far-right rises.

[–] [email protected] 39 points 3 months ago (1 children)

This clown said "My responsibility is that the country is neither blocked nor weakened. Government political parties must not forget the exceptional circumstances to the election of their deputies in the second round of the legislative elections. [...]"

What an hypocrite

source in french

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 months ago

L'Γ‰tat, c'est moi.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Man, this is the kind of shit the Greek Constitution gets right. It defines a very strict order of assignment of potential prime ministers and strict and tight deadlines for them to try to get a vote of confidence, with new elections called if it doesn't work out for them.

Mind you, the original 1974 Constitution allowed some "semi-presidential" shenanigans, because Karamanlis was indeed inspired by France, but the 1986 amendment did away with them.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 3 months ago (2 children)

A problem of his own making. His "center" party could work together with the NFP, but just chose not to.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Most main figures or the center parties came out of the bush and admitted they wouldn't work with a Left government, even after its most radical component (LFI) proposed not playing an active role in this hypothetical government

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Looks like they want a minority government.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Macron is actually imposing a majority government of his party. He is now excluding the far right and LFI from discussions. Which leaves his party the biggest one he accept to talk with. If they make a coalition, which I imagine is what he will suggest they do, his party will be the biggest of the coalition.

Meanwhile, as long as he fuck around like this, the old government still governs like nothing happened.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 months ago (3 children)

How can it be a majority government if his party is the second largest after NFP and before RN? Without NFP nor RN, isn't it by definition a minority government?

I feel like I'm missing something...

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 months ago (1 children)

He's hoping to work with individual parties (PS, PCF, Greens) that are currently part of the NFP, in order to exclude LFI from the equation.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 months ago (2 children)

If the NFP doesn't break up, then that doesn't sound like a path forward. From what I've heard, French media, Macron, and his party have been painting LFI to be worse than RN for some reason that I can't understand.

Probably he'll blame the NFP for not wanting to break up with LFI and say they're at fault for hindering a coalition. I bet that's his next move.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 months ago

That, or he's still fantasising that he can controle the situation and win through "political wits" and authority.

I'm speculating, but I feel like if his party doesn't rule, Macron will completely lose controle over it. So he's doing absolutely everything he can for that to not happen. But he will have to face reality at some point. Unfortunately the 5th Republic of France doesn't encourage him to be reasonable.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago

Macron, and his party have been painting LFI to be worse than RN for some reason that I can't understand.

My guess: €€€

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

To the best of my understanding, NFP campaigned together but that doesn't mean they they necessarily must govern together. I.e. Macron is trying to pick and choose which parties from NFP he is willing to work with.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Easy, Macron said he wouldn't talk to LFI or RN anymore. Without LFI and RN, macron's party is the largest.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago

The biggest of brains! Like the kid in hide and seek that closes its eyes and demands it's now invisible.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

The problem is the "left government" has adopted the most radical component's entire program (except on nuclear energy and some foreign topics).

If a different minister passes the same "we will tax all french abroad and raises marginal tax to 90%" law, doesn't really changes anything to the bottom line.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

All citizens of the United States are taxed under the same personal income tax system, regardless of whether they live in the country or abroad.

https://www.taxesforexpats.com/expat-tax-advice/Citizenship-Based-Taxation-International-Comparison.html

So half of the most extreme radical leftist demand is basically "do what the USA does on taxation".

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago

Except the US tax rate is much lower. Paying the sky high French taxes while getting zero in public services in return (unlike actual French tax residents) is basically robbery.

Also just because the US does it means it's good.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 months ago (1 children)

The left also doesn't want to work with his party. Both MΓ©lenchon and Castes have made it clear it would be their program and only their program and that they would not ally with the presidential party which they blame for everything wrong.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I'd also not be looking to work closely with a center block that will water down your plans, take credit for all things good while you see your most important points being stonewalled. Both the right and left can just rail against this and next elections the polarization will just be bigger.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago

Sure but if you don't have a majority and need to ally with someone else you have to water down your plans, there's no other way around it. Neither sides want to partner, but the center is probably more comfortable having no real government and keeping the status quo for the next two years than the left is.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

Ok, so my interpretation is that Macron fully expected to be naming Le Pen as the prime minister when calling the election. Right now he begrudgingly submits random other names. Someone please tell me I am wrong.

[–] [email protected] 67 points 3 months ago (4 children)

I think he expected for the people to grudgeingly rally behind his party to prevent le Pen. They rallied behind the left instead.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 months ago

Sounds astonishingly reasonable but your user name says otherwise. ;)

[–] blx 7 points 3 months ago

With our current two-round election system and a fragmented left landscape, the far-right gamble has worked wonders for Macron and the center-right in the past. I'm so glad they fucked up even if for just this one time.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago

The left didn't increase its score from past election (about 25-30% of votes). The difference is they went united.

But technically the far right got the most votes and only cross party agreements with the centre and right avoided a far right dominated parliament.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago

And now he's vindicated their choice.