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Was trying to read a news story and... What fresh shitfuckery is this? Why do I now have to pay money to a company just for the privilege of not being spied upon and not getting your cookies that I don't want or need? How is this even legal?

RE: "Why are you even reading that shitrag?" -- I clicked on a link someone posted in another sublemmit, didn't realise it was the Sun till after. I do not read the Sun on the regular, chill. My point stands regardless that this is extremely shitty and should probably not be allowed.

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[–] [email protected] 187 points 1 month ago (4 children)

OP, The Sun is one of the trashiest rags on the face of this Earth. Your best option regardless of their ad practices was always to stay well away from them.

[–] [email protected] 65 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Oh I know, I clicked a link here on lemmy and was taken to that site. I never read it otherwise, but now Im definitely not reading it...

[–] [email protected] 39 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (5 children)

you can block websites if you want if you’re on voyager. It’ll filter out posts which link to whatever websites you list.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 month ago

Radical approach, because I might miss the post with interesting comments, and people often provide alternative links or straight up embed summaries.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago

Oooh, good tip. Didn’t know about that feature.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago (4 children)

I'm on Sync. I might have a look later.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago

I wouldn’t bother switching for a fewture like that. Just wanted to share incase you were on voyager.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago

I use voyager and I love you for sharing this. fuck the s*n.

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[–] [email protected] 33 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

The best part of this is you would need to give them your personal information to pay them, and you'd need to accept the necessary cookies for them to know you've paid when you access the website. 🤣🤣🤣

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

you'd need to accept the necessary cookies for them to know you've paid when you access the website

Cookies that are required for and only used for operational purposes (like knowing if the user is logged in) don't require consent.

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 month ago

Not any factor lotion will protect your mental health from "the Sun" o_O

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 month ago

No you don't.

The site is trash so you leave.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I am really fucking sick and tired of every goddamn company thinking they're entitled to colonize my property and hack it to serve them instead of me.

My computer is my property, you fascist fucks, not yours, and my actual property rights trump your Imaginary "Property" "rights" (i.e. temporary government-granted privileges) every single time and in every single circumstance!

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I broadly agree with your sentiment, in particular computing equipment that I purchase and ongoing trends in tech (like smart TVs) that are abusive to consumers.

However, I find this argument not terribly persuasive in this particular case. The content of a website isn't an extension of your property. It is not even public property. Visiting a site is voluntary. You clearly didn't pay for accessing the site, nor was it subsidized through a social program. So exactly how should content (regardless of how trashy it is) be funded? Statements like "rights" (i.e. temporary government-granted privileges) suggest you are espousing libertarian views, but at the same time, you are not expressing willingness to pay for a service privately?

I dunno, it just comes across as demanding a handout. Meanwhile, not visiting websites that don't meet your vision for how funding content should be done seems like a perfectly simple and reasonable approach to have for this problem.

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 month ago

Oh no. It's not like that. They don't even ask you about cookies any more.

This is a payment so they don't sell all your cookie data to their 1354 trusted data partners/advertising vultures.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 month ago

you get ads whether pay or not. keep your money

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 month ago

I find it amusing that they "use cookies to give you the best possible experience", but then ask you to pay to not have them.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 month ago

The red flag there in the screenshot shows you the name of the publication you should avoid using or visiting.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Solution: don't read that shitrag. It was always a waste of paper, now it is a waste of bandwidth as well.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 month ago (1 children)

A naive question of mine, but isn't using a browser/extensions that silently/transparently blocks cookies (such as Brave, but not just it) enough to fearlessly click "Accept All Cookies", since ultimately they would be pointless for the purpose of tracking (due to the browser's own cookie blocking capabilities)?

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 month ago (1 children)

It asks to play DRM content but plays videos anyway.

Their devs must be so sick of their business dept.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

When I was working on data protection issues, I asked a specialist lawyer more than two years ago how something like this could be reconciled with the GDPR. He couldn't answer the question, but said that with the best will in the world he couldn't imagine that this would be OK under data protection law. Nevertheless, this approach is now common practice for the vast majority of news sites in Europe and also in the EU, which has strict regulations regarding tracking, at least in theory. I still don't know the legal details, but at least I know that there are no serious penalties whatsoever if there is no distortion of competition involved - and since none of the news companies would sue another in this matter, this has become common practice even in the EU.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago

Time for 12ft.io I guess.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

LibreWolf (which doesn't store any cookies or other website data by default, unless you allow it) + I still don't care about cookies or Consent-O-Matic

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago (2 children)

How is this even legal?

Because Brits voted Brrrrexit?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

We still have the UK implementation of GDPR. That didn’t go away when we left the EU.

We won’t have any changes to it that might have happened since brexit but we didn’t remove the law either.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago

This is a US website no?

Image of The Sun U.S logo

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago (4 children)

Jokes on you, to remember your choice for no coockies they have to use a cookie.

Ublock origins -> select element -> remove

Or auto accept/refuse cookies with extension, then auto delete cookies for all but approved sites when closing browser.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago

"To change all cookie settings click_here" <-- this is the bit you want. It's free to reject all the cookies yourself.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago (5 children)

I don't think I've ever had 63 tabs open on my browser. Well done.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Really? I regularly have well over 100, constant ♾️ Don't get me wrong, I wish I didn't.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago

Mad lad, hats off to you. If I have 6 or more open I start to feel uncomfortable.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago (1 children)

This is a legitimate option per EU guidelines btw. They just want you to accept cookies.

[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

I'm pretty sure the EU rejected this. Facebook tried the exact same thing except the paid version has no ads at all (so either you get tracked, or you pay for an ad-free untracked experience) and the EU's initial findings were that it wasn't compliant because every user should have the freedom to opt out of tracking without having to pay. https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/european-union-says-meta-breaking-digital-rules-with-paid-ad-free-option-for-facebook-and-instagram

Having said that, Brexit happened so I don't know if the UK still follows the same laws.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago

EU Withdrawal Act effectively retained all applicable EU law as UK law so anything would have to be specifically rescinded after that.

I don't think anything's changed wrt gdpr

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

private session by default and using start page as your search engine with Anonymous View to search the pages saves the cookies but they are worthless one you leave the site

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (6 children)

Okay, but that's still a lot of effort, and loads more effort than 90% of users would be willing to go through. All so these fucks can (try to) sell my data to 19000 different 'vendors' and their 'legitimate interests'. I swear this needs to be legally regulated somehow before we end up having to pay these people to not monitor our webcams while we read their shitty tabloids.

BTW I do use searXNG and Startpage

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

How is that not extortion?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago (9 children)

Because you aren't compelled to use their site.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 month ago

It's the Sun. No one should use their site. They're doing you a favour by showing you they're assholes the second you land on their site.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago

the Sun would personally sell your organs if it could

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)
  • Just set up your browser to delete cookies on exit. If you want, just have it delete them from specifically that site. The entire debate over whether-or-not a site sets a cookie seems to me to be pretty pointless. If a site can set cookies, then some bad actor will. The dialogs that sites put up talking about it are pointless. No solution other than having your browser not retain them regardless of what a site wants to do is going to be a reliable solution. Not policies, not laws.

    I have my browser delete all cookies on exit. I have a very short whitelist of sites that I permit to keep cookies and track me. Every one of those is one that I need to log in to use anyway -- so I could be tracked with or without a cookie -- and the only thing the cookie does is buys me not needing to log in every time, doesn't have privacy implications.

  • Paying doesn't buy you anything unless they offer a no-log, no-data-mining policy. If you log in to use the site, then they can track you anyway via the credentials you use.

  • They're not imposing it on you. They're offering you a service that costs them money. They give you news, you give them money or data. If you don't want to do that deal, there's a whole Internet out there. Don't go to that particular site. There are lots of websites out there, many of which offer the same deal. Getting upset that somewhere on the Internet, someone is offering a deal that you don't want seems pointless.

    If you want to have some kind of tax-funded news site, go advocate for that. Yelling at them isn't going to get you there.

    If you want to just view news done by volunteers, something like WikiNews, then go visit those sites instead. Maybe contribute work as well. I don't think that volunteer news is going to realistically compete with commercial news, but hey, there was also a point when people thought the same thing about volunteer-run encyclopedias, so maybe it'll get there.

I'll also add that I'm going to be generous to the EU and assume that the goal of their "cookie warning" law, which is why many European websites show these, was to raise awareness of cookies and privacy implications by having warnings plastered all over, so that it starts people thinking about privacy. Because if the goal was actually to let people avoid cookies, then it is costly, disruptive and wildly ineffectual compared to just setting a setting in the browser, makes actually having the browser delete cookies more-annoying, and duplicates a browser-side standard, P3P, that already accomplished something similar, and was just all around a really bad law.

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