You're one to talk, Jill.
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Do you realize that even if every person who voted for Jill Stein or any other third-party candidate had voted for Harris instead, Harris still would have lost?
The margin was big enough that, even without third-party candidates, Trump would have still won the popular vote.
So why are you mad at Jill Stein when her absence wouldn’t have changed the outcome at all?
Oh to be clear I don't care about her. At all.
What I do care about is the Green Party under her leadership ineffectually doing anything anywhere. There are candidates from a larger variety of political parties active in state politics than ever before in my lifetime. Communists, socialists, democratic socialists, libertarians, constitutionalists, independents, etc etc etc.
But the Green Party seems to enjoy spending all their money, time, and effort to do literally nothing outside of putting Jill's name on the national ballot once every 4 years.
If the Green Party truly stands for what they claim to, they should be trying to affect grassroots change every year.
Well they have run in local elections and there are quite a few Green Party officials out there. But they should def by trying for more congress roles too.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Green_politicians_who_have_held_office_in_the_United_States (thanks to @[email protected] for the info)
State-Level Green Party Officials (Former)
- Shane Robinson - Maryland, House, District 39 (2011-2019)
- Henry Bear - Maine, House, District 144 (2013-2019)
- Ralph Chapman - Maine, House, District 133 (2010-2019)
- Fred Smith - Arkansas, House, District 50 (2011-2015)
- Richard Carroll - Arkansas, House, District 39 (2009-2011)
- John Eder - Maine, House, District 118 (2003-2007)
- Matt Ahearn - New Jersey, General Assembly, District 38 (2002-2004)
- Audie Bock - California, State Assembly, District 16 (1999-2000)
Current Green Party Mayors
- Peter Schwartzman - Galesburg, Illinois (2021-2025)
- Bruce Delgado - Marina, California (2008-2024)
- Emmanuel Estrada - Baldwin Park, California (2020-2024)
Former Green Party Mayors
- John Reed - Fairfax, California
- Mike Feinstein - Santa Monica, California
- David Doonan - Greenwich, New York
- Kelley Wearvering - Cordova, Alaska
- Robb Davis - Davis, California
- Peter Gleichman - Ward, Colorado
- Jim Sullivan - Victory, New York
- Jason West - New Paltz, New York
Current Green Party City & County Council Members
- Sylvia R. Chavez - Calipatria, California
- David Conley - Douglas County, Wisconsin
- Josiah Dean - Dufur, Oregon
- Becky Elder - Manitou Springs, Colorado
- Bob Gifford - Portage County, Wisconsin
- Renée Goddard - Fairfax, California
- David Grover - Trinidad, California
- Damon Jespersen - Newbury, Massachusetts
- John Keener - Pacifica, California
- Rebecca Kemble - Madison, Wisconsin
- Paul Pitino - Arcata, California
- Marsha A. Rummel - Madison, Wisconsin
- George P. Steeves - Southbridge, Massachusetts
- Anna Trevorrow - Portland, Maine
- Daniel Welsh - Lewisboro, New York
- Heidi Weigleitner - Dane County, Wisconsin
- Stephen Zollman - Sebastopol, California
Former Green Party City & County Council Members
- Peter Schwartzman - Galesburg, Illinois
- George Altgelt - Laredo, Texas
- Michael Beilstein - Corvallis, Oregon
- Bruce Delgado - Marina, California
- Jessica Bradshaw - Carbondale, Illinois
- Michael Cornell - River Hill Village
- Jennifer Dotson - Ithaca, New York
- Kathleen Fitzpatrick - Mosier, Oregon
- Gail Garrett - Mount Washington, Massachusetts
- Matt Gonzalez - San Francisco, California
- Cam Gordon - Minneapolis, Minnesota
- Art Goodtimes - San Miguel County, Colorado
- Daniel Hamburg - Mendocino County, California
- Michelle Haynes - Norwood, Colorado
- Gary Hull - Sharpsburg, Maryland
- Tanya Ishikawa - Federal Heights, Colorado
- Brian Kehoe - Catskill, New York
- Jason Kirkpatrick - Arcata, California
- Mary Jo Long - Afton, New York
- Tom Mair - Grand Traverse County, Michigan
- Sarah Marsh - Fayetteville, Arkansas
- Merrily Mazza - Lafayette, Colorado
- Gayle McLaughlin - Richmond, California
- Ross Mirkarimi - San Francisco, California
- Leland Pan - Dane County, Wisconsin
- Dona Spring - Berkeley, California
- Chuck Turner - Boston, Massachusetts
Other Green Party Local Officials (Current)
- Michael Clary - Coos County, Oregon
- Jennifer Baker - Napa Valley College, California
- Matthew Clark - San Mateo County
- Billy Gene Collins - Waterford, Connecticut
- Carl D'Amato - Waterford, Connecticut
- Daphne Dixon - Fairfield, Connecticut
- Matt Donahue - Benton County, Oregon
- Maureen Doyle - Southbridge, Massachusetts
- Andrew Frascarelli - Waterford, Connecticut
- Frank Gatti - Amherst, Massachusetts
- Michael Paul Hansen - Humboldt County, California
- Jane Jarlsberg - San Bernardino County, California
- Joshua Steele Kelly - Waterford, Connecticut
- Vincent O'Connor - Amherst, Massachusetts
- Sharron Parra - Hyampom, California
- Vahe Peroomian - Glendale Community College, California
- John Powell - Montecito, California
- Colleen Ann Reidy - Thompsonville, Connecticut
- Rebecca Rotzler - New Paltz, New York
- Leif Smith - Redding, Connecticut
- Darcy Van Ness - Waterford, Connecticut
- Baird Welch-Collins - Waterford, Connecticut
- Randy Marx - Fair Oaks Water District, Sacramento County, California
- Fred McCann - Portland Water District, Portland, Maine
- Garrett Erven - Red Wing, Minnesota
Other Green Party Local Officials (Former)
- John Amarilios - New Canaan, Connecticut
- Korie Blyveis - Newberg Township, Michigan
- Hector Lopez - New Canaan, Connecticut
- Kim O'Connor - Hillsborough County, Florida
- Jill Stein - Lexington, Massachusetts
- Raymond C. Meyer - Lucas County Health Center, Iowa
- Amy Martenson - Napa Valley College, California
- MK Merelice - Brookline, Massachusetts
- Anna Trevorrow - Portland, Maine
I don't believe you 🤷
Jill Stein couldn't govern a fucking paper bag lmao.
Well, in the end it didn't matter. Harris lost by such a large margin, none of the votes that went to Jill Stein would have mattered anyway.
I mean, you guys lost the freakin' popular vote to Trump!
The majority of the United States didn't agree with you or your candidate. And they showed you just how much they didn't like you guys by voting.
Trump won the election, and the popular vote; the Republicans won the Senate AND the House.
You and other democrats need to change your methods and your attitudes.
Your bullying didn't change my mind, or the minds of all the voters who voted for Trump. Remember when you all accused me of being a bot? And accused me of being Russian. And said I'd disappear after election day? Or that I was a team of people posting "propaganda"?
None of it was true, and it was just bullying, and you guys trying to quiet any dissenting voices.
That's why you lost, friend.
And I'm still here, having the best time of my life.
Why is she still talking? I would have expected the stream of rubles to dry up by now
Because she wasn't really a russian asset. Also, even if ever single person who voted third party, and put their votes towards Harris, Harris still would have lost. That's how large the victory margin was for Trump.
Friend, Jill Stein and third parties weren't the reason you lost. I didn't vote for Trump and I think he'll be bad for things. But hopefully this inspires the DNC to change.
Jill betrayed her country. 🤷♂️
Why? Even if everyone who voted for Jill Stein, combined with everyone who voted third party, Harris still would have lost the election. That’s how large the margin was.
So exactly how did she betray the country? Because she ran third party? Which didn't change the election results at all?
And do you know how many people on Lemmy are now suddenly saying that we need a third party now, because they feel betrayed by the Democrats?
I'm sooo glad I voted socialist and stuck to my values. No soul-searching for me after the election! I did the right thing.
This has already been explained.
she's not wrong
Nope. She's right.
All the way right.
Is this all you have going on in your life?
Well, you are here reading it, so is this all you have going on in your life?
She could argue 2+2 is 4 and the reply remains "Fuck off, Jill."
Why? Even if everyone who voted for Jill Stein, combined with everyone who voted third party, Harris still would have lost the election. That's how large the margin was.
Harris even lost the popular vote! Seems like Jill Stein should be the least of the Dem party's concerns.
'We're so fucked that a divisive plant wasn't even necessary' does not excuse this divisive plant.
No more than it excuses the other dozen contingency plans to steal an election for a fascist, if Americans could be trusted to show up against fascism. The Idiot was already filing lawsuits and ranting about fraud. That's awful if it works. That's awful if it fails. That's awful if, fuck us, it's simply redundant.
I don't think she was a plant though. The Green Party chose her. Do you think they are all plants then?