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[–] [email protected] 19 points 2 days ago

I think the real answer is that we end up kind of like the UK -- going from the worlds ultra-dominant superpower to a sort of slow regression to the mean, as China, India and others take the spotlight.

When you look at what China is doing with their Belt and Road Initiative, and their move to dominate the transportation infrastructure of developing nations -- the US isn't anywhere near equipped to counter that. We're still in a cold war mentality thinking that we will dominate as the world's police force.

Meanwhile, all the actual economies will be run by Chinese companies operating with state support.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 days ago

That's up to Trump, because your vaunted checks and balances are gone.

Think he's going to show restraint? Insight? Empathy?

[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Unless there's nuclear war, there's no such thing as the point of no return. Just a further slide into more egregious civil rights violations. Eventually it will get better, hopefully through democratic means and not violent ones.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 days ago (1 children)

You don't vote out a dictator. The only way out is through violent revolution.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Every moment is a point of no return, unfortunately.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Sure the US may be past it's glory days. Hell even the Rand Corporation (who write a bunch of stuff for govt leaders and other high ups) says it's been trending downhill since some point in the early 2000s. They didn't mention 9/11 but it seems like a good historical milestone.

Essentially the paper says the last 200 years have been an anomaly and we're slowly sliding back to historical norms. They call it the neomedieval era and it's not just the US.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 days ago

Yeah pretty much. We're 2-3 generations deep into a cultural expectation that "some one else" will deal with all these problems.

The constant threat of this being "the most important election of our lives", when the party making that argument campaigned as if the outcomes were irrelevant (because from their privileged perspective, the outcomes are irrelevant).

Back during covid a boat got turned a bit sideways in a canal and it seemed like the whole world economy was going to collapse. The system we have is actually incredibly fragile and built largely on trust, both in one another but also in institutions and systems. Not only the US, but western Europe is about to get smacked up-side the head by the 2x4 of failing to maintain a civil society (US at fault within its borders, EU at fault beyond its borders).

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 days ago

Don't believe there really is an absolute point of no return without the plot of Genesis of the Daleks happening. The future is long, and we don't know how the next four to eight years will play out, but dictatorships have risen and fallen before. Spain was a fascist dictatorship for decades, now it isn't. Also, lots of people died in the meantime and not all vestiges of the dictatorship are gone.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (12 children)

Assuming you are talking about who won the US presidential election. Happened 8 years ago too, it wasn't the end of America then. It won't be the end of America now.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 days ago

8 years ago, the GOP wasn't crammed with MAGA, the judiciary wasn't crammed with MAGA, and the executive wasn't going to be crammed with MAGA.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 days ago

Doubt it.

The rest of the world isn't lucky enough to never have to hear about the perpetual US election cycle again, and frankly there's just too much money in it for them to give it up.

It'll be a fucking clown show for the next four years though.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Did Britain or Rome know the moments when Pax Britannia or Pax Romana had hit their tipping point to decline? I doubt it.

I think the tipping point will only be observable through the lens of history many years from now with a subject heading of: This event was the beginning of the end of Pax Americana.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Earth will not care. Life on earth may suffer, but Earth will not care.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Then I guess we shouldn't worry about Earth, because it'll be fine.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 days ago (8 children)

I choose to believe that we are not. The true fight for our democracy by the working/middle class hasn't even started yet. Some think it won't. I choose to believe that good will again triumph and life is roller coaster of good and bad.

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