Isn’t this a more Kafka version of death panels that we were promised under Obamacare.
There is no death panel however you have been deemed to die by the death panel. Good luck navigating the bureaucracy.
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You have to actually read a book to even know what you mean when you say "Kafka." So good luck convincing anyone with that.
Over-kafka systems have worked so well when dealing with immigration, disability, medical, and veteran affairs. Worked well as in saved money by not providing services because they made them too complicated.
At this point these abortion bans should be called Matricide Approvals
Genuinely, they should be called Matricide Laws. Tank it the same way Republicans keep trying to tank "Obamacare"
Matricide is too fancy a word.
Give it something simpler and more outrageous, like “Killing Moms Law” and talk about the Trump death panels who chose this.
Mama murder pact
Nah you gotta balance the number of syllables in each word to make it catchy. "Dead Moms Law" or "Mommy Murder Law"
Mother killer laws.
Widower-maker.
They're the ones who came up with the name Obamacare, so that it would tank on name alone.
Yes, exactly. Which is why people should start going to town hall meetings, Senate hearings, etc. and asking various questions about "Matricide Laws." When they get corrected that these are abortion bans, explain that the law is killing hopeful mothers and these lawmakers are okay with it—if matricide wasn't the point, it certainly appears to be a welcome side-effect.
Remember when Republicans hated the idea of death panels?
Every private insurer has a death panel that is only accountable to share holders. Progressives need to start framing stuff in those terms instead of letting the Republicans bully them into accepting their framing.
The republican party is constantly able to dominate the conversation. Every election cycle they decide whether immigration/economics/war/whatever is what will be discussed and the democrats try to play defense instead of just calling them out.
"Death panels already exist do you want them to be purely for-profit?" it's not even that hard they're just incompetent.
Part of it is that they want to placate their "moderate" wing too (read: the donors). If your plan is Medicare for All, you can say that and it's easy to explain to people. If your plan is the Affordable Care Act, you'll still have the for profit death panels, so you'd have to say something like: 'we'll regulate the existing death panels slightly more and force you to sign up to them', which doesn't actually sound that great.
Every accusation is a confession.
Edit: Ah should have read down before replying, but fuck it, it bears repeating.
Every accusation is a confession. These won’t be the only death panels, either. Far, far worse is to come. They’re willing to kill anyone in defence of their supposed ‘superior morals’.
These aren't death panels, they are death funnels.
Hollywood should start making movie after movie where the protagonist loses a loved one to some fucking asinine Republican laws, and then just goes on a vengeance spree.
Build a whole new MCU-style universe just around the backwards-ass shitstain policies coming out of these freeloader states, and a whole cast of kid-diddling fuckwads who are taken out by the wrath of righteous anger. People would watch that shit.
They aborted his wife... He's not pro-life anymore
Fourth Trimester: coming soon to a theatre near you
I mean, they've already co-opted the Punisher - an anti-cop vigilante - into their iconography, despite being the party of the "thin blue line" and "the party of law and order." Anything we could hope to create to satirize them would just arouse them without a sense of irony or self awareness.
The boys would disagree. You just make it more and more obvious who the bad guys are, the longer it goes.
Is this the second plot that Hallmark has discovered?
Hero drops a card on the bodies of his fallen enemies
"Have a Hallmark moment, assholes"
That would be awesome.
Get Bruce Willis to do it.
A 90s Bruce, definitely. Today's, not so much...
Perhaps Jason Statham? Bruce Campbell?
"God Bless America" is almost that
"I was working with some amazing nurses and we decided as a team that we were going to break our hospital's rules and admit her, even though she wasn't 20 weeks pregnant because I just couldn't send her home again and hope for the best," Lyons said.
More like this please. Fuck your hospital's rules, make something up if you need to, this is someone's life. Bureaucracy isn't really very good at checking itself and a lot of rules get broken "by mistake". If the rules are bad, don't follow them. If anyone actually gets on your case, "I'm sorry, I guess I misremembered the policy and was worried about protecting the hospital from liability".
Employees on the front lines have a lot more power to grind dumb rules to dust than they think.
It just sucks that it was her FOURTH visit to the ER.
First do no harm
Hot potato is the Republican form of health care.
Oh patients get hot potatoe'd all the time it's just usually they're full code violent dementia patients. OB hot potatoes are just the new fad in overly legally complicated patients no one wants to be officially responsible for when they die. The republican party is the party of the freedom to die in a ditch full of maggots when your ~~death panel~~ insurance review board (chaired by an eye doctor who's been out of practice for 10 years after committing fraud) denies your chemo treatment juuust long enough that you're better off dying quickly and getting out of their hair.
Anyone else remember Death Panels?
I don't think insurance claim review boards went away.
They have concepts of a plan though.
She miscarried? Damn, life in prison.
They should just exclude pregnancy, births and anything associated with it from health care.
That's their plan
Women should be screaming in agony and bleeding out in their beds at home, as god intended. Pain and death in childbirth is the price of Eve’s sin, and only the pure and righteous earn an easy pregnancy.
I am not kidding, I’ve heard this from evangelical extremists (who have now been voted into power).
and the big argument that a lot of first world countries debate is the lowering birth rates ... why in the hell would anyone want to have children in this environment?
These people don’t ask women for permission.
I believe you, that something like this was said, but in this age where the web is at our command, "some evangelical somewhere said that" seems needlessly vague and unconvincing.
I can’t remember their names, but one is a televangelist preacher and the other is a woman who’s claiming to be a prophet. They’re both fairly well known. They were in a recent compilation video of evangelical sermons.
Yes, but then where would they get good little soldiers for the meat grinder from?
There's always North Korea /s
Test tube babies probably ... because giving natural birth has become so politicized and affected by religious beliefs that fewer people will actually want to have children and countries will try to figure out alternative ways of creating expendable humans.
It's going to get worse. What I have not seen is how we help. What actions can we take today, tomorrow, and next week will help those impacted by this step backward? I get being mad. I get being informed. But elections put us in a precarious place and real people need help tomorrow...now. Every one of these articles should include a call to action and I have a 9 to 5 trying to keep mine above water so just tell me. We need to solve problems.
Well no worries, once Trump is in office these women won't have any healthcare available to them.