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I was using Bing to create a list of countries to visit. Since I have been to the majority of the African nation on that list, I asked it to remove the african countries...

It simply replied that it can't do that due to how unethical it is to descriminate against people and yada yada yada. I explained my resoning, it apologized, and came back with the same exact list.

I asked it to check the list as it didn't remove the african countries, and the bot simply decided to end the conversation. No matter how many times I tried it would always experience a hiccup because of some ethical process in the bg messing up its answers.

It's really frustrating, I dunno if you guys feel the same. I really feel the bots became waaaay too tip-toey

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[–] [email protected] 96 points 1 year ago (28 children)

The very important thing to remember about these generative AI is that they are incredibly stupid.

They don't know what they've already said, they don't know what they're going to say by the end of a paragraph.

All they know is their training data and the query you submitted last. If you try to "train" one of these generative AI, you will fail. They are pretrained, it's the P in chatGPT. The second you close the browser window, the AI throws out everything you talked about.

Also, since they're Generative AI, they make shit up left and right. Ask for a list of countries that don't need a visa to travel to, and it might start listing countries, then halfway through the list it might add countries that do require a visa, because in its training data it often saw those countries listed together.

AI like this is a fun toy, but that's all it's good for.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Are you saying I shouldn't use chat GPT for my life as a lawyer? 🤔

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 year ago

Not quite true. They have earlier messages available.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Bings version of chatgpt once said Vegito was the result of Goku and Vegeta performing the Fusion dance. That's when I knew it wasn't perfect. I tried to correct it and it said it didn't want to talk about it anymore. Talk about a diva.

Also one time, I asked it to generate a reddit AITA story where they were obviously the asshole. It started typing out "AITA for telling my sister to stop being a drama queen after her miscarriage..." before it stopped midway and, again, said it didn't want to continue this conversation any longer.

Very cool tech, but it's definitely not the end all, be all.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago

They know everything they've said since the start of that session, even if it was several days ago. They can correct their responses based on your input. But they won't provide any potentially offensive information, even in the form of a joke, and will instead lecture you on DEI principles.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (5 children)

They don't know what they've already said, they don't know what they're going to say by the end of a paragraph.

I mean, the first part of this is just wrong (the next prompt usually includes everything that has been said so far}, and the second part is also not completely true. When generating, yes, they're only ever predicting the next token, and start again after that. But internally, they might still generate a full conceptual representation of what the full next sentence or more is going to be, even if the generated output is just the first token of that. You might say that doesn't matter because for the next token, that prediction runs again from scratch and might change, but remember that you're feeding it all the same input as before again, plus one more token which nudges it even further towards the previous prediction, so it's very likely it's gonna arrive at the same conclusion again.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (11 children)

I seriously underestimated how little people understand these programs, and how much they overestimate them. Personally I stay away from them for a variety of reasons, but the idea of using them like OP does or various other ways I've heard about is absurd. They're not magic problem solvers - they literally only make coherent blocks of text. Yes, they're quite good at that now, but that doesn't mean they're good at literally anything else.

I know people smarter than me see potential and I'm curious to see how it develops further, but that all seems like quite a ways off, and the way people treat and use them right now is just creepy and weird.

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[–] [email protected] 87 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You could potentially work around by stating specific places up front? As in

“Create a travel list of countries from europe, north america, south america?”

[–] [email protected] 60 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (18 children)

I asked for a list of countries that dont require a visa for my nationality, and listed all contients except for the one I reside in and Africa...

It still listed african countries. This time it didn't end the conversation, but every single time I asked it to fix the list as politely as possible, it would still have at least one country from Africa. Eventually it woukd end the conversation.

I tried copy and pasting the list of countries in a new conversation, as to not have any context, and asked it to remove the african countries. No bueno.

I re-did the exercise for european countries, it still had a couple of european countries on there. But when pointed out, it removed them and provided a perfect list.

Shit's confusing...

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

you would probobly have had more success editing the original prompt. that way it doesn't have the history of declining, and the conversation getting derailed.

I was able to get it to respond appropriatly, and im wondering how my wording differs from yours:

https://chat.openai.com/share/abb5b920-fd00-42dd-8e63-0da76940e3f5

I was able to get this response from Bing:

Canadian citizens can travel visa-free to 147 countries in the world as of June 2023 according to VisaGuide Passport Index¹.

Here is a list of countries that do not require a Canadian visa by continent ²:

  • Europe: Andorra, Austria, Belgium, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Bulgaria, Croatia, Cyprus, Czech Republic, Denmark, Estonia, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Iceland, Ireland, Italy, Kosovo, Latvia, Liechtenstein, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Malta, Monaco, Montenegro, Netherlands (Holland), Norway, Poland, Portugal (including Azores and Madeira), Romania (including Bucharest), San Marino (including Vatican City), Serbia (including Belgrade), Slovakia (Slovak Republic), Slovenia (Republic of Slovenia), Spain (including Balearic and Canary Islands), Sweden (including Stockholm), Switzerland.
  • Asia: Hong Kong SAR (Special Administrative Region), Israel (including Jerusalem), Japan (including Okinawa Islands), Malaysia (including Sabah and Sarawak), Philippines.
  • Oceania: Australia (including Christmas Island and Cocos Islands), Cook Islands (including Aitutaki and Rarotonga), Fiji (including Rotuma Island), Micronesia (Federated States of Micronesia including Yap Island), New Zealand (including Cook Islands and Niue Island), Palau.
  • South America: Argentina (including Buenos Aires), Brazil (including Rio de Janeiro and Sao Paulo), Chile (including Easter Island), Colombia.
  • Central America: Costa Rica.
  • Caribbean: Anguilla, Antigua and Barbuda (including Barbuda Island), Aruba, Bahamas (including Grand Bahama Island and New Providence Island), Barbados, Bermuda Islands (including Hamilton City and Saint George City), British Virgin Islands (including Tortola Island and Virgin Gorda Island), Cayman Islands (including Grand Cayman Island and Little Cayman Island), Dominica.
  • Middle East: United Arab Emirates.

I hope this helps!

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[–] [email protected] 67 points 1 year ago (3 children)

4chan turns ONE ai program into Nazi, and now they have to wrap them all in bubble wrap and soak 'em in bleach.

[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

>Implying it would have stopped at one AI program

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[–] [email protected] 36 points 1 year ago

Please remove countries I've been to.

I've been to these African countries.

[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I have been to these countries [list] Generate a list of all the countries I haven't been to.

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[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Have you tried wording it in different ways? I think it's interpreting "remove" the wrong way. Maybe "exclude from the list" or something like that would work?

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[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I tried to have it create an image of a 2022 model Subaru Baja if it was designed by an idiot. It refused on the ground that it would be insulting to the designers of the car... even though no such car exists. I tried reasoning with it and not using the term idiot, but it refused. Useless.

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I haven't seen it refuse to do anything yet. I've seen it lie a whole bunch.

Paste link

"Sorry, I can't access external links"

Ok, then tell me how to feed you this data

"You can share a pastebin link here"

Pastes same link a second time

"Thanks, I've reviewed the link you provided"

...wtf

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 year ago (10 children)

Why do you need CharGPT for this? How hard is to make an excel spreadsheet?

[–] [email protected] 76 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I don't need AI for this, I got my own list. But said hey! Why not try this new futuristic tech to help me out in this one particular case just for fun.

As you can see.. a lot of fun was had

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago

It’s like you had a fun, innocent idea and PC principle walks in like “hey bro, that ain’t very nice”, completely derailing all the fun and reminding you that racism exists. Bummer.

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 year ago

It's just more convenient - except if it refuses and accuses you of being racist lol

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago

Because chatgpt can do the task for you in a couple seconds, that's pretty much it. If the tool is there and you can use it then why not?

There's obviously going to be some funny scenarios like this tread, but if these kinds of interactions were a majority the company and the technology wouldn't be positioned the way they are right now.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Why use a calculator? How hard is it to do the math in your head, or write it out on paper?

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Bing AI once refused to give me a historical example of a waiter taking revenge on a customer who hadn't tipped, because "it's not a representative case". Argued with it for a while, achieved nothing

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Just make a new chat ad try again with different wording, it's hung up on this

[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 year ago

Honestly, instead of asking it to exclude Africa, I would ask it to give you a list of countries "in North America, South America, Europe, Asia, or Oceania."

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago

Your wording is bad. Try again, with better wording. You're talking to a roided-out autocorrect bot, don't expect too much intelligence.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I recently asked Bing to give some code on a pretty undocumented feature and use case. It was typing out a clear answer from a user forum, but just before it was done, it deleted everything and just said it couldn't find anything. Tried it again in a new conversation and it didn't even try to type it out and said the same straight away. Only when given a hint in the question from what it had previously typed, it actually gave the answer. ChatGPT didn't have this problem and just gives an answer, even though it was a bit outdated.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago (1 children)

sometimes it refuses to do anything at all if I mention certain sites that it thinks is piracy and gets all whiney with me >_>

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago (2 children)

if we really want useful AI tools they need to be open source and customizable by the user.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago

I'm really hoping these shitty "ethical" censorship to keep them from getting sued will be their downfall. I'm very eager for LLMs like LLama to catch up as you can easily run uncensored models on them.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Is it that hard to just look through the list and cross off the ones you've been to though? Why do you need chatgpt to do it for you?

[–] [email protected] 46 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

People should point out flaws. OP obviously doesn’t need chatgpt to make this list either, they’re just interacting with it.

I will say it’s weird for OP to call it tiptoey and to be “really frustrated” though. It’s obvious why these measures exist and it’s goofy for it to have any impact on them. It’s a simple mistake and being “really frustrated” comes off as unnecessary outrage.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Anyone who has used ChatGPT knows how restrictive it can be around the most benign of requests.

I understand the motivations that OpenAI and Microsoft have in implementing these restrictions, but they're still frustrating, especially since the watered down ChatGPT is much less performant than the unadulterated version.

Are these limitations worth it to prevent a firehose of extremely divisive speech being sprayed throughout every corner of the internet? Almost certainly yes. But the safety features could definitely be refined and improved to be less heavy-handed.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago

You Continentalists are all the same! Can't we all just get along?!?

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago

Ask to separate by continent?

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago
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