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South Africa on Friday launched a case for the ICJ stating that Israel was in breach of its obligations under the Genocide Convention and calling for a halt to its military operations in Gaza.

"The State of Israel will appear before the International Court of Justice at The Hague to dispel South Africa's absurd blood libel," spokesman Eylon Levy told an online briefing.

"We assure South Africa's leaders, history will judge you, and it will judge you without mercy," he added.

Levy said that Hamas bore full moral responsibility for the war and was "waging from inside and underneath hospitals, schools, mosques, homes and UN facilities".

He added that South Africa was complicit in Hamas' crimes against Israelis, without elaborating.

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[–] [email protected] 160 points 10 months ago (2 children)

"He added that South Africa was complicit in Hamas' crimes against Israelis, without elaborating."

Idiot. Without elaborating.

[–] [email protected] 74 points 10 months ago (1 children)

On the plus side, Netanyahu 's government still doesn't understand that this stopped working a while ago

They don't believe the accusations they're making, they're just counting on 80 year old world leaders like Biden still falling for it.

Sadly, it seems to be working.

Now it's on citizens to try and hold their elected officials accountable.

Unfortunately Americans don't get much say in it due to the two party system. Regardless of who wins, the winner is going to support Israels genocide.

Which is going to depress turnout, and that helps Republicans become presidents more than anything else.

Biden would rather support genocide than prevent trump from taking office.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 10 months ago (3 children)

So it stopped working a while ago but sadly it seems to be working?

[–] [email protected] 13 points 10 months ago

An unrelated paper, but this can still be used to estimate how old are world leaders now: world leaders' age chart

So this statement may be correct, e.g. if we draw a line at 60 and all the leaders that are older fall for it while all the younger don't, it will be more than half of the leaders that fall for it.

But really, I'd rather see the median age of state governments of countries, because nothing is usually decided by a leader alone.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 10 months ago

And it’s up to people to vote, but voting doesn’t work because two party system.

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[–] frshmt 32 points 10 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 17 points 10 months ago

Same as Trump. Or debates on Fox News. Classic angry right-wing yelling lol.

[–] [email protected] 103 points 10 months ago (3 children)

"We assure South Africa's leaders, history will judge you, and it will judge you without mercy," he added.

Oh the irony

[–] [email protected] 46 points 10 months ago

They intend on writing history, it's meant to be a threat.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 10 months ago

If you don't support Genocide against the Palestinians you're basically Hamas already.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 10 months ago

Every accusation is an admission.

[–] [email protected] 79 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Wow, something to be said for someone with such a hateful response to an accusation, almost as if they're trying to prevent discussion by labelling any potential questioning of tactics as racist to be "judged harshly by the world". Gaslighting and projecting on full display here.

The tactics lose power when you see and understand them. Spread knowledge.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 10 months ago

Not almost. Netanyahu has spent the last two decades getting a definition of Anti-Semitism that includes criticism of the government of Israel put in place all over the world. He's been depressingly successful. There's artists and academics losing government funding just for criticizing the Israeli government in social media.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago

Zionists are the new Nazis.

They don't argue in good-faith and they know it.

[–] [email protected] 69 points 10 months ago (1 children)

"We assure South Africa's leaders, history will judge you, and it will judge you without mercy," he added.

Starting the defense with a menace ... anyway, let's see who is judged by history first

[–] [email protected] 8 points 10 months ago

The good thing about the history judgement is, it doesn't matter much how they dance around laws technicalities and definitions of words.

[–] [email protected] 66 points 10 months ago (1 children)

"The State of Israel will appear before the International Court of Justice at The Hague to dispel South Africa's absurd blood libel," spokesman Eylon Levy told an online briefing.

This guy's response is antisemitism buzzword bingo.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Like, seriously, blood libel?

I haven't read the legal documents, but I'm going to go out on a limb and assume they don't mention Israel poisoning Palestinian genes with interbreeding.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 10 months ago

I chuckled but blood libel has a specific meaning. Throughout history there was a nasty lie that kept getting brought back. It accused Jews of commiting blood sacrifices of Christians. Most recently by Nazis.

So he is putting any accusation of war crimes on the same level as Nazi propaganda about Jews.

[–] [email protected] 63 points 10 months ago (2 children)

When South Africa accuses you of genocide, you know you fucked up.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 10 months ago (1 children)

What I don't get is, from all the countries that could have done this (i.e. accuse Israel of genocide in The Hague), why South Africa? Am I out of the loop? Is there a reason they came forward?

Like, I see the irony with genocide and apartheid and so on, I just wonder why South Africa even cares this much about Gaza/Israel (I mean we all do, but no one did what they did, not even Turkey).

[–] [email protected] 13 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

A. The ANC really needs some good press.

B. They're fairly independent in the global stage but lean towards Russia/China/India. So they may be doing this partially to egg the US' face.

C. They have personal experience with Apartheid.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 31 points 10 months ago (2 children)

He means Apartheid

That one went so far that south Africa is the only country to voluntarily unilateraly give up its nuclear arsenal when a minority risked getting to power

[–] [email protected] 8 points 10 months ago

The marginalised and persecuted majority*

Though I'm fucking glad they disarmed, I wouldn't trust the ANC to find it's way out of a glass room covered with doors, never mind look after nukes. It's bad enough the state power utility has a nuclear reactor.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 16 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Yeah, it's actually backwards. The minority was in power and was at risk of losing it.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago

Oh no the white Afrikaaners did lose power. The ANC came to power in 1994. The other commentators post doesn't make sense for that reason.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago

You're right that I inverted it numerically

Though, that's a communication thing. White people are a minority worldwide but never referred to as such. I used the standard way to refer to the different races even though that is statistically incorrect in the hope of it being more directly obvious what I meant

[–] [email protected] 56 points 10 months ago (4 children)

South Africa used to be an apartheid state so if they're callling you out...

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[–] [email protected] 48 points 10 months ago (1 children)

The more Israel speaks, the deeper the hole gets.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

“…but they’re God’s chosen people! surely they would never…”

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago

Jews maybe. But if Israelies specifically are Gods chosen people then god fucked up.

[–] [email protected] 39 points 10 months ago (2 children)

If this fails to have any effect, I wonder how many more local wars will be started soon on the ground of international law becoming some kind of joke as of lately

[–] [email protected] 23 points 10 months ago

Isn't that how WW2 started? Germany basically broke the Versailles Treaty and kept getting away with it so just kept going.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 10 months ago

Warfare's back in style, just in time for the climate to really start straining resources.

[–] [email protected] 37 points 10 months ago

Israel to The Hague: "Nuh-uh."

[–] [email protected] 22 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Israel is going to blame the US for enabling them

[–] [email protected] 19 points 10 months ago

Presumably the US will agree, given that's the line they take with Israel historically.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 10 months ago

Tell me you're a terrorist without telling me you're a terrorist.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 10 months ago

 Caught me genociding on Camera. "Wasn't me"

[–] [email protected] 11 points 10 months ago (1 children)

If in the next few weeks you hear of an agreement between Germany and Israel to allow the IDF use of an airforce base within reach of The Hague, it will have to do with this.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago

an agreement between Germany and Israel to allow… use of an air force base within reach of The Hague.

absolutely wild timeline.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 10 months ago

"they're coming right for us, Ned!"
-Israel, probably

[–] [email protected] 8 points 10 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago

It's likely shortened from "At The Hague court", so it works.

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