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A transgender woman running for an Ohio House seat has been disqualified for failing to disclose her former name on petitions circulated to voters, in violation of a seldom-enforced state law.

Local election officials informed Vanessa Joy, who hoped to run as a Democrat for Ohio House District 50, that she was not eligible to do so, despite having collected the signatures necessary to run.

Joy sought to run in a firmly Republican district covering Stark County, just south of Akron.

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[–] [email protected] 117 points 11 months ago (2 children)

To clarify:

It's an old ass law that's not enforced.

To the point where the petition she had to use didn't have space for it, and the 33 page guide for candidates has no mention of it.

The other article I read on this said they couldn't find anyone that knew about this or candidate that included a prior name.

It's not like she just refuses to follow the rule, literally no one knew about it

That other article mentions her step father is a vical anti-lgbt Republican in Ohio, pretty safe bet he researched weird rules to keep someone from running.

Not just because he doesn't want her to win, but because other Republicans will use it in the primary against him.

If it was a random person, they would have done it to other trans candidates as well.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 11 months ago (1 children)

That's pretty messed up if there isn't a valid way to disclose it on the official paperwork.

One of the legitimate reasons I can see for this law would be cases where someone changed their name to be similar, or the same, as someone else who is much more likely to win.

So if someone changed their name to Joe Biden recently, I would absolutely want it disclosed that they had done so.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago

One of the legitimate reasons I can see for this law would be cases where someone changed their name to be similar, or the same, as someone else who is much more likely to win.

Like the sherriffs Roy Tillman from Fargo?

[–] [email protected] 45 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Did Ted Cruz have to put his birth name (Rafael) on ballots?

[–] [email protected] 28 points 11 months ago (3 children)

I don't think Ohio is in Texas.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 11 months ago

It’s all Ohio. Always has been.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I don’t think Ohio is in Texas.

BIG if true!!

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago

Not as big as if Ohio was in Texas. It’s the rule.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago (1 children)

America has only three cities: New York, San Francisco, and New Orleans. Everywhere else is Cleveland.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Would have picked Los Angeles over New Orleans

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

Take it up with Tennessee Williams.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 11 months ago (4 children)

How in the heck does this work for someone who had their name changed for any other reason? Heck, what about married people who took their partner's last name?

[–] [email protected] 23 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Name changes by marriage are specifically exempted... because this kind of disclosure is totally unnecessary and serves no purpose.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 11 months ago

As I noticed literally right above your comment:

If the reason for this law is to not have someone change their name to hide some negative past from voters, a marriage name change is still just as concealing. Sally Smith to Sally Michaels when there are thousands of Sally's out there is just as much hiding as anything else.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 11 months ago (1 children)

All retroactively disqualified!! Ohio is an autonomous zone now with no leaders.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 11 months ago

They claim in the article an exception for marriage name changes, which is nonsense. If the reason for this law is to not have someone change their name to hide some negative past from voters, a marriage name change is still just as concealing. Sally Smith to Sally Michaels when there are thousands of Sally's out there is just as much hiding as anything else.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 months ago (1 children)

This is actually a really interesting point I hadn’t thought about, would people in witness protection or those who had to change their name to hide from dangerous people be disqualified?

[–] [email protected] 12 points 11 months ago

I don't think people in witness protection want the publicity of running for office? On the other hand, Donald "My properties are both over and undervalued" Trump ran for president, so maybe?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 11 months ago

Didn't read the article, I take it?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Why would there be ANY exceptions? I wouldn’t have a problem with it as long as everyone had to follow the same rule. Putting exceptions just seems silly.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 months ago

You know why.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


A transgender woman running for an Ohio House seat has been disqualified for failing to disclose her former name on petitions circulated to voters, in violation of a seldom-enforced state law.

Officials said Joy violated a little-known Ohio law requiring candidates for public office to list any name changes over the previous five years on their signature petitions.

Joy, who has legally changed her name and her birth certificate, told News 5 Cleveland and the Ohio Capital Journal on Wednesday she had not been aware of the law before being removed from the ballot.

Joy said that, as a transgender woman, she should not be required by law or expected to publicly disclose her deadname, which is the name she used before transitioning.

The law’s enforcement also comes at a pivotal time for transgender people in Ohio, as the state legislature gears up to override Gov.

The legislation would ban minors from obtaining gender-affirming health care and prevent transgender athletes from competing on school sports teams that match their gender identity.


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[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

Well if your dead names are dead, then that means she was less than five years old. That's too young to run for office. jk

[–] [email protected] -5 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I totally get not wanting to disclose your deadname where a ton of conservative assholes will get ahold of it, but you probably should still have to report any other names you've gone by to get into public office.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Why? Many of the cisgendered people don't, so why should she?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Anyone should have to to get into public office imo, not just her.

She's definitely not who I'd start enforcing that rule on tbf, but everyone should have to I think.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 11 months ago

Why, though? You have a solution in search of a problem here.

No deception is occuring in a legal name change. No identity is being hidden.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago

The rule is very old and never enforced. She's the first.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

This is the important question. I have no sympathy for the candidate not wanting to disclose the previous name - just because some people might react negatively doesn’t mean they get to hide their past

….. assuming it’s equally applied. If it’s true that other are not held to the same standard, that the requirement wasn’t communicated or known, or there is no chance to fix it before the election, that’s BS

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Again, who's hiding? Legal name changes are public records. No one is hiding. You have a solution in search of a problem.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

I would never seek to justify every law. I’m sure many are bogus.

However if it only applies to one person, or is some ancient thing long forgotten brought back for one person, it is clearly discriminatory and should be invalid, regardless of whether it had any merit to begin with

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

A law that cannot be justified is definitionally unjust.

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