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Comparison left vs right for a craftsman who doesnt know which one he should buy:

  • l/r same bed size

  • r lower bed for way easier loading/unloading

  • r less likely to crash

  • r less fuel consumption and costs

  • r less expensive to repair

  • r easy to park

  • r easy to get around in narrow places like crowded construction sites or towns

  • r not participating in road arms race

  • l You get taken serious by your fellow carbrained americans because ""trucks"" are normalized and small handy cars are ridiculed.

So unless you are a fragile piece of human, choose the right one.

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[–] [email protected] 52 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Just gonna keep on posting this

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

This is why Pedestrian crash avoidance mitigation (PCAM) needs to be standard required by law, and will be on Californian shortly, and with California goes the world.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

This pic is fantastic but I wish there were more examples from actual alternatives to what people claim they need the pickups for e.g. vans like Trafics, Kangoos/Berlingos, Mercedes Sprinter/Vito etc etc. There is at least a sprinter there in version pickup, which has a very good result as I'm sure the other ones would as well, because these things tend to have the windshield all the way at the front of the vehicle so you have great visibility for the front 180°, the back 180° depends on the configuration you have which range from completely closed/opaque cargo space to fully furnished 5/7 seaters with windows.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Good pic. Question : I'm new to Lemmy. How come it's almost impossible to resize a pic without the pic closing on me? Is there a trick to this?

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 year ago (24 children)

I agree with the sentiment of this post, but to be fair, you can also carry 3 or 4 passengers in the left vehicle, as opposed to only one in the right.

The main problem is the US fuel economy regulations actually encourage manufacturers to build bigger trucks and SUVs so they get classified into a category that has looser fuel economy requirements.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago

You are right. Still the american truck is hugely oversized, even for 5 persons and cargo. But, for the sake of the argument, imagine standing on the highway. Have a gander at the cars around you. How many people per car do you see? Exactly, 90% of the time there is exactly one person in a car. What makes the american truck an extreme waste of space an ressources, beside being a health hazard to everyone outside of the car.

Cars should get smaller, not bigger.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The extended cab version of the right truck would still tick all the boxes.

Off-road and towing capacity are probably the main feature you give up with that sort of design. Whether or not most people need that is a separate story.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

They make kei trucks in 4x4, but you do lose ground clearance.

That being said, what kind of "off road" conditions are any of the trucks really contending with?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

Muddy fields when parking at church or boy scouts or whatever.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

Whats best is the kei 4x4 is probably significantly better in most off road situations due to its lighter weight and shorter wheel base. You can drive/manuever around things easier and when you are on mud or sand, the lighter weight prevents sinking.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I get the point your trying to prove but i don’t think it’s fair to compare these 2 as they are meant for different things and also brings in the assumption that all American craftsman vehicles are 2500HD’s, which is not true.

Now I agree, people using the one on the left specifically as a daily driver is actually overkill and are not using it for what it’s supposed to be used for. The one on the left is a 2500HD. They are SUPPOSED to be used for hauling and carrying equipment. The crew cab is meant to also transport the crew that is for said equipment.

The one the right is specifically meant what appears to be lighter duty use and hauling. I agree that people should use the right tool for the job. I find the one on the right to be very practical. But for the sake of this post as a means to compare Japanese craftsman vehicles to American.

You should actually show something actually comparable. Like a ford ranger with a standard cab. Which might be about the same size and power. Maybe even the same bed size. Not something that has HD (Heavy duty) in its name.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The only places I've seen trucks like the 2500HD are north America, Australia and Thailand. They usually have only one, or rarely two people people in them. They never have a significant load in the bed. Everywhere else uses vans and light trucks and gets along just fine..

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago

I fvcking love kei trucks but one counter point - a lot of US is shitty rural roads at 50-60 mph (80-95kmh) plus freeways at even higher speeds. Kei trucks are more of a city thing and just wouldn't fare well here. They are however very popular on university campuses.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The Japanese one would be fun for use in New York City. LOL. Easy parking, easy to navigate double-parked clowns. It just needs a bed cover to lock down anything purchased.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago

Kei trucks due have the issue of not being great to actual hall things in the mountainous areas (a tradeoff of the small engine). They make a non-kei version that has a bigger engine for situations like that.

That being said, I think if roads and such were bigger here (Japan), we'd definitely seem more American-style vehicles. Miyazaki (Ghibli) had lots of environmental themes in his works and it wasn't because people were doing a great job of taking care of the environment. I have seen American trucks driving around Tokyo (which is silly because they can't even fit down some streets) as well as sports cars and even hummers. Yeah, some are driven by foreigners, but there are still plenty of Japanese who import and drive US vehicles. The second biggest thing stopping that is the cost of getting it over here, inspected, registered, etc. Some humans just want those and want to show off their status and Japanese people are just people, after all (as much as the internet loves to pretend otherwise).

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Anything American should be avoided. Their food is full of sugar, cars are big and useless and internet companies always try to screw their users.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I am an american that fled the country and I can confirm.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

unregulated capitalism to be specific

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (8 children)

Since it's become legal to import these Kei trucks and vans, I've been loving the pictures of them all over the place. I have no need to haul cargo around, but I'd definitely love one of these things if I did in the future. I just don't like that you're only allowed to buy 20-year-old vehicles like this due to import laws.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Who benefits from keeping these trucks out of american makets?

a) the consumers

b) existing auto manufacturers

Who chooses to keep these trucks out of american markets?

a) the consumers

b) the governments/lawmakers

Edit amwrican not western.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Willing to bet right is owned by a true worker doing real work and left is some trumpet who uses that ugly tank to drive to Walmart to buy toilet paper.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (8 children)

95% of the craftsmen I know have panel vans. Easier to both organize and secure tools and materials, more overall room.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

Ours are utes. Either road versions or 4×4 versions. American trucks sell here but they're seen as a joke in both capability and practicality, so it's assumed the owner is very insecure about something or not very intelligent. As a result, they're very rare.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I lived in (and now commute through) a neighborhood of older houses, and higher incomes, so I see a lot of contractor vehicles. It seems like it breaks down as landscapers and lawn services use the pickup trucks; trades companies (plumbers, electricians, HVAC, carpenters, painters, etc.) use vans or box trucks; and the independent guys tend to use Dodge Caravans. Nearby, the university uses fleets of kei trucks (the low-speed versions because "freedom"), Ford Model E vans, and Caravans. I think the landscaping crew has pickups.

There are an increasing number of company pickup trucks, but most of them appear to be pavement princesses, used only for their usual function: transporting egos, not equipment.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

Hey! I live in Korea. These things are ubiquitous. They are colloquially called "Bongos" as that was the name of an older, popular model. There are more and more electric ones on the road these days, too.

Unfortunately, you can find a few of the monstrosities on the left here these days, too, but at least very few. They've got nowhere to park them here. Haha!

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (7 children)

Yep. I'm an American tradesman and the trucks that the guys drive are way too beefy for what they actually do.

I've gotten by with small Toyota trucks, and rav 4s..much to the chagrin of the good old boys. Should have seen their face when I rolled up in a prius...till I tell em I get 50 mpg easy.

I would love a small little truck like this one in the photo.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Anyone drive one of these in Canada during the winter?

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

One is made to show how much of an egoist you are, and the other is made to do the job. I really don't get the gigantomax trucks, and never will

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Really wish I could get my hands on one of these. The import process is so complicated it makes it barely cheaper than a domestic used truck.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (7 children)

Since Americans are obese, it makes sense that their cars are too.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

I agree, the Japanese craftsmen-car on the right is far superior and the American pick-up truck on the left just looks ridiculous.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

To anyone claiming that the bigger one is the safer one ...

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-09-06/what-drove-japan-s-remarkable-traffic-safety-turnaround

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/24499113/

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/countries-with-the-most-car-accidents

From the Bloomberg & NLM articles

From a safety perspective, kei cars have a lot going for them when compared with American-style SUVs and trucks. Their light weight generates less force in a collision, and their stubby front ends reduce driver blind spots. Research suggests that their occupants are equally safe as those inside full-sized vehicles.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

At first, I was going to criticize the collision speed of the example study, but found ( ok, I say found, I mean I googled for 15 seconds ) that the average American collision is occurring at less than 40mph, so good to go there.

Second, I was going to comment on the relative safety of being in the Kei truck and being struck by the 2500HD... but that just goes back to the 'participating in the arms race', so feels... stupid.

So, overall: Thanks for providing this. It directly answers the primary concern of 'what if I hit something tho'. There are some other angles I could nitpick on maybe, but they all feel like a kind of 'consolation prize' to the argument.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

One thing you also need to remember, is that the smaller car has a far smaller braking distance and is more maneuverable, so is less likely to get in a crash. The lower centre of gravity also decreases the likelihood of a roll-over.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

I was the only guy at the marina showing up in a compact Nissan. Got a lot of shit for it from the raised up pickups.

Yet I always had that extra $20 for beers.

It's a mystery.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

Vans are more useful work vehicles than these giant pickup trucks, since usually you want your equipments to be covered and protected from the elements.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

As an American, I've written to multiple manufacturers, foreign and domestic, to bring/build the smaller Kei trucks but I have never heard any response except for Ford that basically sent a brochure for their F150 that has 'more space' for 'getting work done'. I would love these for practicality but the cost of importing a used one was MUCH higher than buying a normal truck/suv here. :(

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Unlisted benefit of the one on the left is you can fit more people in it.

Unlisted benefits of the one on the right are

  1. lower center of gravity, so taking turns is easier.
  2. smaller blind spot
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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Sizes aside, whenever I bought a Toyota or if I bought a Lexus, I would make sure that they were manufactured in Japan.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

The one on the right l looks like those vehicles the school janitor drove around my HS in the 90s.

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