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[–] [email protected] 228 points 10 months ago (9 children)

Are people on the left saying this?

The 2 things I've really not liked about biden is he

  1. Continued trump era boarder policies significantly harming refugees.

  2. Has doggedly supported israel in their current genocide campaign.

Other wise his admin has ranged from pretty good to business as usual. 1000% better than trump, but also with some glaring problems.

[–] [email protected] 70 points 10 months ago (21 children)

Are people on the left saying this?

A few. A small, but very loud group online. They're larger on the Fediverse than most places.

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[–] [email protected] 29 points 10 months ago (4 children)

2 is huge, but you forgot that he busted the railroad union which directly led to ohio burning down

[–] [email protected] 51 points 10 months ago

I'm no fan of Biden (though I did and will vote for him) but that's not what happened. He did not bust the unions, the 12 unions still exist. He broke a strike, which is the intended purpose of the Railway Labor Act of 1926.

The law he put before congress to force a resolution to the three year negotiation deadlock would have guaranteed the workers 7 days of sick leave per year (they wanted 15). It passed the House but the Senate knocked it down to 1 day, with a 14% immediate pay increase and an additional 25% over the next five years.

Biden continued negotiate for the unions to get the sick days. They don't all have them yet, but at this point 61% of the workers do have 4 short notice paid sick days with the option to trade three personal days for an additional 3 short notice sick days. Negotiations are still happening, the Biden administration is still part of them.

The Ohio derailment disaster was not a result of worker error (or lack of sick days) but lack of maintenance regulations, which was not something that was being negotiated at that time.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_United_States_railroad_labor_dispute

https://www.reuters.com/business/white-house-renews-pressure-railroads-over-paid-sick-leave-2023-02-09/

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/most-unionized-us-rail-workers-now-have-new-sick-leave-2023-06-05/#:~:text=Under%20the%20agreement%20effective%20Aug,use%20as%20paid%20sick%20time.&text=Our%20Standards%3A%20The%20Thomson%20Reuters%20Trust%20Principles

Beau of the Fifth Column, Let's Talk About Biden, the Rails and Sick days... Youtube link

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[–] [email protected] 186 points 10 months ago (11 children)

"Stopped second Cold War and arguably saved democracy in Europe"

Let's not get ahead of ourselves on either count.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 10 months ago (2 children)

yeah and im a big supporter (well relative to what I see on the internets) but obviously all of it is not attributable to him. All the same there have been more things that actually improve my quality of life over what any other president has done in my lifetime and all in one term with an adversarial congress. I loved obama but man he wasted a nice majority trying to play fair with a bunch of known cheaters.

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[–] [email protected] 137 points 10 months ago (117 children)

If you want leftists to vote for dems, despite dems pissing on leftists at every possible chance and yelling at leftists to fall in line, I'll show you how.

  1. Point out that voting will never, ever, ever move the democrat party to the left. You cannot vote the party harder to the left.

  2. Point out that Republicans are going to remain fascists.

  3. Point out that voting third party is a spoiler vote and will result in fascists winning.

  4. Point out that the actual way to move to the left is to unionize and organize at the grassroots level, to apply bottom-up pressure on the top.

The answer is not to pretend that Biden is anything other than a Neoliberal Capitalist. Leftists will correctly point out that Biden is still a lukewarm neoliberal maintaining the status quo, and feel further alienated by being told they should love him anyways. That just encourages voter apathy.

[–] [email protected] 39 points 10 months ago (9 children)

My local democratic party texted me to ask me to consider running for office (I live in a very deep red state). I laugh at the idea, because I'm pretty sure that they don't want a pro-2A anarchist and Satanist running under their name. My wife nixed the idea because she doesn't want us to get firebombed.

[–] [email protected] 53 points 10 months ago (2 children)

My local democratic party texted me to ask me to consider running for office (I live in a very deep red state). I laugh at the idea, because I’m pretty sure that they don’t want a pro-2A anarchist and Satanist running under their name. My wife nixed the idea because she doesn’t want us to get firebombed.

You should run dude. I'm dead ass serious. You can win rural districts where dickless corporate bootlicking democrats can't.

Here's the secret code: Don't run as a Democrat. Run as an independent.

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[–] [email protected] 128 points 10 months ago (5 children)

"saved democracy in Europe"? i'd argue democracy works better here than in the US of A, and certainly not due to any US president

[–] [email protected] 34 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Saved from a Russian invasion. It's a bit exaggerated, but not entirely untrue I believe.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 10 months ago (14 children)

Europe has contributed more money than USA, so they can share a little less than half the credit.

It's basically the same deal as WW2 - sure, the USA has had a big impact - but Europe's not exactly shirked its share of the heavy lifting.

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[–] [email protected] 94 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (14 children)

Is unemployment actually down, or is this just like number fudging from folks who work 3 part time jobs?

There's a LOT more homeless people than I remember ever seeing before.

[–] [email protected] 44 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (4 children)

Unemployment is measured as people who are eligible and looking for work but not employed. People who have left the workforce for reasons other than getting laid off/fired (like quitting to take care of a sick family member) or people who have given up looking for work are not counted, even if they want a job. It's measured by a CPS survey of 60,000 households, and I doubt it includes homeless people (or anyone without a permanent address).

I've heard the opposition party claim the unemployment is under-counted during the Obama, Trump, and Biden years by excluding job seekers who have given up on finding employment. That's probably true, but if it is it has probably been pretty consistently under-counted for decades by both parties.

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[–] [email protected] 38 points 10 months ago (6 children)

Unemployment is a meaningless statistic due to the weird definition. The more useful statistic is #of jobs divided by total population, which peaked in 1970 and has been declining fairly consistently ever since

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 10 months ago

Homeless doesn't equal unemployed. There are a lot of people who have a job but can't afford housing

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[–] [email protected] 81 points 10 months ago (1 children)

secured the border

What does that mean though. Concentration camps for undocumented People? Kids in cages? You think that's a good thing? People are dying in US camps, and you're presenting that as a 'haha gotcha liberals they DO kill migrants'

Fuck that.

Also genocide. Never forget that Biden is aiding and abetting a genocide. Don't fucking look away because he's your guy, motherfuckers

[–] [email protected] 19 points 10 months ago (1 children)

There's plenty to complain about, but the significant thing is that every one of those things that are complained about are specifically as bad or worse with his opposition. It would be different if any of it were "Biden aids Israel who is committing genocide, but Trump is against aid to Israel!" or "Biden keeps kids in cages at the border, but Trump would get the border handled more humanely!" Trump unequivocally supports Israel curb-stomping Palestine, and Trump made a lot of the changes that put kids in cages, and his rhetoric suggests he only plans on hitting immigrants harder.

But I get it, there is plenty to complain about with Biden, not least of which is aiding genocide. The meme, though, is concerning the argument that Biden has done nothing while in office, which is clearly not true.

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[–] [email protected] 69 points 10 months ago (18 children)

So I don't disagree that we need to get less chosey and start voting for the lesser evil at the very least (not even american here bu the UK also has a choice between fuckwad A and B right now) But the bar for 'extreme leftists' has now gotten so low that depending on the company simply suggesting that we shouldn't leave people to die on the street will get you classified as 'extreme leftist'

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[–] [email protected] 53 points 10 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (8 children)

[I got a bot to automatically delete all my comments over 1 month old so you can’t see this comment anymore]

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[–] [email protected] 52 points 10 months ago (6 children)

With the jackass before him setting bar so low, Joe could have just redecorated the oval office and I'd have considered it a win. Its a bummer Doing The Job like a damn adult doesn't get enough ink ..

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[–] [email protected] 39 points 10 months ago

This doesn't even mention many of the infrastructure programs that help people directly - the Bipartisan Infrastructure Law, American Rescue Plan Act, WIIN, WIFIA, and probably more that I don't know about. There is so much work in water lines and roads/bridges because of Biden.

[–] [email protected] 38 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Let's not forget he took over in Jan. 2021. Accelerating vaccine rollout was on his watch:

"With COVID-19 surging and vaccinations off to a slow start, President-elect Joe Biden will rapidly release most available vaccine doses to protect more people, his office said Friday, a reversal of Trump administration policies."

https://www.ajmc.com/view/a-timeline-of-covid-19-vaccine-developments-in-2021

https://apnews.com/article/joe-biden-ap-top-news-coronavirus-pandemic-coronavirus-vaccine-f7bb372f73a4f204ec540d39a4409e18

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[–] [email protected] 37 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Lol saved democracy in Europe, if the rest is just as accurate then he indeed hasn't been very active in office

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[–] [email protected] 35 points 10 months ago (4 children)

Who created this Liberal porn?

[–] [email protected] 30 points 10 months ago (19 children)

How is it even US 'liberal'? "Secured the border?" Wtf is this??

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[–] [email protected] 34 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (12 children)

You missed:

  1. Enabled and bankrolled the slaughter of over 27,000 Palestinians.
  2. Bombed Iraq, Syria and Yemen
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[–] [email protected] 33 points 10 months ago (7 children)

I appreciate the bravery it takes to post something like this on Lemmy.

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[–] [email protected] 32 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (10 children)

You don't need to listen to far right nutjobs. They were never going to vote for any Democrat candidate.

You do need to listen to us far left "nutjobs" if you think you need our votes.

EDIT: Goddamn for a group that loves to call us "childish " moderates really don't appreciate being told they can't get what they want on their own and have to gasp cooperate with others.

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[–] [email protected] 32 points 10 months ago

"Low unemployment" isn't a useful metric when the minimum wage isn't enough to live on, and the implication that people should be grateful for "low unemployment" is insulting to people who work full time and still can't afford food and housing.

Its counterproductive to cite unemployment numbers when trying to rally support for current representatives, unless you can also show that wages are increasing.

Simply referring to the number of jobs that exist feels dismissive and alienating. Instead, you'd get a stronger propaganda effect by citing the number of GOOD jobs that exist - jobs that pay a living wage.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 10 months ago (14 children)

Don't forget:

🎶 Private property's inherently theft And neoliberal fascists are destroying the left And every politician, every cop on the street Protects the interests of the pedophilic corporate elite 🎶

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Call me when he brings out the trust busting hammer. It's the one thing that touches on most of the problems in the US.

He needs to actually stand with Unions, actually bring the economy back for the working class, actually make homes and food affordable again.

The other shit is just dressing on the cake. Voters aren't going to vote for him unless he can do that. They might vote against the other guy, but -

Jobs that don't pay

A request to the police forces

A counselor the visits once a month

Killing some brown guy in a war we're all tired of

Lifted a ban the next GOP president is just going to put back

Stopped a pipeline the next GOP president is just going to send DHS agents to guard

And protected land the next GOP president is going to unprotect

And continuing Trump's abuses of refugees, more efficiently....

Ain't gonna fucking do it. These aren't the things we care about. We want to put food on the table for our families.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Just FYI to a bunch of commenters here...complaining about something that he successfully did actually doesn't dispute the post showing all the stuff he did. If you're mad about how low insulin prices got you're proving the point.

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 10 months ago (2 children)

EO 14074 only applies to federal LEOs. Which is a very small percentage of the US police force. Definitely not "All police dept's [sic]".

Just because it's in a spongebob meme doesn't make it true.

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 10 months ago (6 children)
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