There are huge migration issues in North America, Africa/Europe, Middle East, Southeast Asia, etc. It is not a US-centric issue. And seeing people freaking out at the numbers now doesn't give me much hope for dealing humanely with the impending world-wide climate refugees in the near future. I know much of the migration even now is caused by climate fucking, but it's nothing like it's going to be.
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You know I had this same thought just the other day, and decided to look up some numbers to see just how comparable the situations really are. What I found was that the number of people attempting to cross the US southern border is like four times as many as have tried to cross into Europe, per year. No I didn't bookmark the source, but you should be able to Google it up like I did. I don't know why this is a much bigger problem in the US, but it does seem to be.
I found an interesting page about global refugees. I knew some of these, but have to admit that I did not know about too many of them. I also did zero vetting on the source.
In the past decade, the global refugee crisis has more than doubled in scope. In 2022, the UNHCR announced that we had surpassed the 100 million mark for total displacement, meaning that over 1.2% of the global population have been forced to leave their homes. As of mid-2023, that also includes 30.51 million refugees. Over half of those refugees come from just three countries. These numbers are high — almost beyond comprehension — but each one represents a person who has been forced to leave everything behind due to circumstances beyond their control.
~~boarder~~ border
PLEASE.
Less pedantry, I’m getting boreder
What you call "pedantry" I call "minimal command of a language to enable proper communication". If I can handle it in a language that's not mine, so can you.
You may not care about communicating properly. In that case, feel free to block me.
Sorry dude, “boreder” fell flat, huh? Trying to make a word pun and clearly didn’t succeed
You didn't succeed at finding the block button either.
I tend to give people a long leash on writing skills as long as I understand the message. Who knows, maybe the sender suffers from severe dyslexia?
Yeah, my please was only because the wrong version rubbed me the wrong way for some reason, but nothing against the OP (I acknowledge that I failed to convey that).
There are at least two international organizations whose purpose is to deal with immigration and/or it's root causes here in the Americas. The United States does do work to address immigration and it's root causes.
https://mirps-platform.org https://rcmvs.org
However, one party benefits from the chaos and fear that comes from a "border crisis." Trump was recently in the news for trying to sway republicans to kill a border policy, because it would look good for Biden. (Just an example of how we don't all necessarily want immigration to be 'fixed'.) Unless we can remove conservatives from power, there will always be immigration issues.
Knowing how they can be so full of shit hard to imagine that being true.
There's a measure of truth to it. You see a lot of anti-American propaganda online, especially on Lemmy and Reddit, but America is still a wonderful place to live, especially compared to a lot of the countries these people are fleeing from. Millions of people per year immigrate, or attempt to immigrate to the United States in search of a better life. A lot of them find it too. I work with a lot of immigrants and each one of them is considerably better off than they were at home. Like immeasurably better off.
Instead of trying to stop them from crossing why are we not addressing the cause?
A lot of those problems are outside of our ability or authority to resolve. We already do a lot of global policing, and global aid, but we can't fix the whole world, especially when sovereign nations don't want our help.
Just why are we allowing this to cause us to almost on the brink of a civil war.
You mentioned Fox News trash, so you're aware of the power of propaganda, but it seems you're affected somewhat by it too. We are no where near the brink of civil war. You're seeing sensationalized reporting about a select few wack-job opinions.
So what could we be doing to fix this problem?
If there was an easy resolution, it would be solved already. The reality is that it's a complex problem that cannot be solved within a single Lemmy post. It can't even be solved among experts all working together. It can be improved though, so getting politicians off the case, and sociology and economy experts on the case would be a great first step. It's a real problem, but it's nowhere near the "emergency at the border!" Situation that Fox News makes it out to be. Ever noticed before how the emergency at the border suddenly and miraculously vanishes as soon as a Republican wins the White House, and nothing at all is done about it, and then it magically pops up again as soon as a Democrat is in office? It's one of their hot button issues they pull out to rile up their voters. They get them worked up into a frenzy, thinking only a Republican can fix this imminent threat to America, so that they'll be sure to vote. And then as soon as a Republican wins, they stop reporting on it and the voters think the mission was accomplished. It's really underhanded bullshit.
I am sure America is probably responsible for some of that turmoil so why we not discussing that and fixing our mess
Because America can do no wrong on its foreign policy. We are purely a force for good, opinions to the contrary merely Communist propaganda. Thus, whatever the cause is, it's not America's problem or responsibility to fix.
Except, obviously, not really.
Just why are we allowing this to cause us to almost on the brink of a civil war.
Ooof...it's not just this lol. Right-wing political elites strongly believe in personal freedom and states' rights. Right-wing regular folks believe strong in personal freedom. For them, American personal freedom manifests as a proliferation of guns and ammo, flags on lawns, and everybody believing in the country as the city upon a hill. More importantly, it certainly does not manifest as self-reflection, following the teachings of Jesus Christ, nor running into reality at any point. Americans are right, moral, and their actions just because they're American. That's just the way it is for them.
So, the border crisis is an issue they feel strongly about and they're being denied the resources to handle in the way they see fit. Personal freedom and states' rights are being trounced all because liberal president wants to...what...claim to protect children from drowning while letting criminals (and there are so many criminals according to them with no evidence) in to ravage the country?
This is a deep problem.
In my opinion, they're Boomer selfishness taken to its logical conclusion in a society. It's fine if a few people are exceedingly selfish and want everything for themselves. It's a problem when tens of millions want it all, too.
I strongly disagree that right-wing people believe more strongly in personal freedoms and states rights. In fact, on most issues it is the opposite.
Even the one issue you make note of is more complicated than it seems at first glance. Is the right to bear arms about personal rights or is it about the right of privileged groups (white, male, property owners) to kill anyone who is perceived as a threat? I would posit it’s more about the latter.
I strongly disagree that right-wing people believe more strongly in personal freedoms and states rights.
I agree. But they think of it in those terms.
Right-wing political elites strongly believe in personal freedom and states’ rights. Right-wing regular folks believe strong in personal freedom.
Curiously, this is demonstrably false.
At this point virtually every time one sees somebody call on the government to step in and interfere in something, it's a right-winger.
As with so many things, they actually are exactly what they claim to oppose - fragile babies who constantly cry for mommy and daddy government to protect them
Because it's obvious?
It is not America's responsibility to fix all the world's problems. We have enough or our own that we can't fix.
We caused, indirectly or even directly, many of the causes that people are trying flee from in their home countries in Latin america.
The vast majority of them are trying to flee gang violence.
If we weren't actively fucking with other countries, I might agree with you. But we do that to keep prices down, and this is the consequence.
Then how about direct self-interest? If it reduces illegal immigration, at the source, for “cheaper” (and less human suffering), why wouldn’t we?
Obviously there’s also a bad history of intervention but if this focuses on helping the economies of some of these countries, such as by encouraging more trade, we’ll get a lot farther. Everyone will profit, and those heading north for economic reasons will no longer have that incentive