I’d like to thank the admins for being so open and direct about the issues that they’re facing.
I laughed :)
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Oh goodness, why is this so funny? lol.
Yay!
I don't get why anyone hosts Servers running 24/7 on AWS/GCloud/Azure. The pricing is just outrageous. Everyone else will be cheaper
To be fair, with a proper autoscaling scheme in place these services should scale down significantly when not in use.
That being said, a big reason for using AWS/GCP is all the additional services that are available on the platform.. If the workload being run isn't that complicated, the hyperscalers are probably overkill. Even DO or Linode would be a better option under those circumstances.
This. AWS architect here. There are a lot of ways to reduce pricing in AWS like horizontal scaling, serverless functions, reserved instances. Most people aren't aware of it and if you're going to dive in head first into something like cloud, you'll need to bear the consequences and then learn eventually.
Even with ASGs, ec2 costs a bomb for performance.
And "serverless" functions are a trap.
If you're gonna commit to reserved instances, just buy hardware for goodness sake, its a 3 year commitment with a huge upfront spend.
You can do one year dedicated spend.
But yes. Serverless is a trap to be avoided.
Mark my words the loop is coming back around. I look forward to when my work migrates the datacenter off AWS back on prem because of ballooning costs.
You work in IT long enough you see it for the joke it is. We get paid obscene amounts of money to do what amounts to nothing.
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Yep. And if you want to really save some cash and don't mind getting a little crazy, use an EKS node orchestrator that supports spot instances. I'm starting to do a serious dive into Harness at the moment actually.
Google recently released a white paper on cost saving in kubernetes as well.
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I'm in a similar boat. I'm a sysadmin supporting a legacy application running on AWS EC2 instances and a new 'serverless' microservice based platform as well. It's really really hard to scale and optimize anything running on EC2s unless you really know what you're doing or the application is designed with clustering in mind.
You tend to end up sizing instances based on peak load and then wasting capacity 90% of the time (and burning through cash like crazy). I can imagine a lot of Lemmy admins are overspending so fast they give up before they figure it out.
Nowadays I feel like EC2 is either used for legacy support or testing. Most prod nowadays should probably be built with some kind of container solution so you can scale it easier.
Or you just get dedicated servers at competitors for 1/10th of the price
AWS is perfect for large operations that value stability and elasticity over anything else.
It's very easy to just spin up a thousand extra servers for momentary demand or some new exciting project. It's also easy to locate multiple instances all over the world for low latency with your users.
If you know you're going to need a couple servers for years and have the hardware knowhow, then it's cheaper to do it yourself for sure.
It's also possible to use aws more efficiently if you know all of their services. I ran a small utils website for my friends and I on it a while ago and it was essentially free since the static files were tiny and on s3 and the backend was lambda which gives you quite a few free calls before charging.
Habit (guess). Its what is used professionally, despite being proven over and over that cost-per-speed is terrible compared to less known providers.
If the average Web engineer's salary capable of running a site like this is ~$180,000, then a $30,000 difference in cost is only about 2 months salary. Learning and dealing with a new hosting environment can easily exceed that.
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That, and like others mentioned their flexibility, plus the fact that they're fairly reliable (maybe less than some good Iaas providers but a fair bit more than your consumer vps places). Moments ago I went to the hetzner site to check them out and got:
Status Code 504 Gateway Timeout
The upstream server failed to send a request in the time allowed by the server. If you are the Administrator of the Upstream, check your server logs for errors.
Annoying if it's you nextloud instance down for a minutes, but a worthy trade off if you're paying 1/4 of the price. Extremely costly for big business or even risking peoples's lives for a few different very important systems.
Hetzner has four nines availability, usually higher. AWS claims five nines but chances are you'll mess up something on your end and end up at three to two nines, anyway. If you really need five nines you should probably colocate and only use the likes of AWS as a spike backup.
And I guess "messed something up on your end" happened in that case: I don't think Hetzner is necessarily in the habit of maximising availability of their homepage at all cost (as opposed to the hosting infrastructure), you probably caught them in a middle of pushing a new version.
...speaking of spike backups: That is what AWS is actually good for. Quickly spinning up stuff and shutting it down again before it eats all your money.
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Hetzner ftw
Hetzner is one of the most cost effective but I recommend always checking serverhunter before choosing
AWS is mostly only useful for large companies who need one hosting provider for all their needs, with every single product tightly integrated into other products
Hmm like SAP, but less sucky
Holy fuck SAP sucks ass
It does, but that comes with the territory. SAP is the IBM mainframe of business software. You'll be hard-pressed to find a large multinational which don't run SAP... or have a couple of IBM mainframes to run it on. The kind of "large" which means that they don't have IT departments but IT subsidiaries, probably created by buying up a couple of tech consultancies. You know like Samsung buying Joyent, saying "never mind your public platform you'll be busy enough hosting all our data we're the only customer you'll ever need".
The only advantage would come if you could rewrite lemmy to be serverless
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The pricing scheme here is designed to gouge businesses for equal or more than the traditional non-cloud equivalent. Which happens to be completely unaffordable. Imagine buying a new enterprise grade server for your home setup.
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Figure 1: Human discovers that hosting a web service for hundreds of thousands of users is expensive.
Feddit runs on a 10€/Month VPS. And its one of the biggest nodes in the network
Hetzner crowd says hi!
Why don't you migrate to cheaper providers like Hetzner? I mean AWS is extremely expensive for what they are and I am pretty sure there are hundreds of people out here who will willingly help you set it up.
I host mine on my home wifi
I'm in your walls
Oracle free tier, 4arm cores, 200gb storage, 24gb ram, zero money's spent
Oracle is all fun and games until they lose your instance’s IP or data and don’t give it back because you’re a free tier freeloader.
That sounds like the bitter expression of regret and experience.
thats why you make backups and update the dns records 😎
I do enough of this in the day job. I don’t have time to mess around with free hosting to save $20 a month.
Amen.
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No catch? Especially with Oracle? Hard to believe kinda, nothing is ever "free".
It's a great deal, if you stay small, the idea is a loss leader, they temp you in and you set up your service, then when you need to scale up, they charge the extras.
Rome wasn’t built in a day
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