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Collapse related because burning fossil fuels is causing the earth to budge at the equator.

This is - incredibly - slowing the rotation of the planet and lengthening the hours of daylight in each day and making each day longer.

This can - because we use extremely precise atonic clocks- to direct and regulate internet traffic - disrupt critical systems such as financial transactions and GPS navigation.

How? Ice in the mountains, glaciers and high plateaus is melting and running down to the world’s oceans. As the world turns more water gathers at the equator and thus slows the rotation of the planet.

Look at us go.

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In a recently shared substack (reddit post for it), the author describes overshoot and collapse of the deer population on the Kaibab Plateau in Arizona. Hunting was banned and their natural predators were removed from the plateau to protect the herd which in turn led to population growth and collapse depicted below. However, noted by the X's, this overshoot of carrying capacity was not without warning, with the first warning in ~1918, followed by first fawns starving, and more:

Deer population in Kaibab Plateau, AZ and notable events

The substack goes on to describe the warning signs we are seeing in our own society as it advances in (or approaches, if you're in that camp) collapse, such as (in their lifetime) in 2008 from the financial crisis and 2019 from covid

So, what do you think were significant events, warning signs, or indications of our own approach of overshoot, exceeding the carrying capacity of Earth, and being close to global civilization collapse? If you don't think we've approached overshoot yet, what do you think will be indications of this? Preferably answers address overshoot of global civilization as we're a global civilization, but if you want to throw in an answer for any other civilization or group, go for it

As the author asserts, "We're clearly the fucking deer."

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The company anticipates the world will have 48,230 aircraft in 2043, compared with 24,240 planes at the start of this year, according to Airbus’s annual Global Market Forecast. India and China will drive the jet sales in the next decades. As a consequence, the CO2 emissions from the aviation industry will only increase in the foreseeable future.

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I live in the Northeast, and our lake water is nowhere near clear. You're lucky to see five feet. I've been told that our water is "productive", meaning that there's lots of life in there. My daughter got her MS studying the plankton populations in Lake Champlain. The plankton is the bottom of the food chain.

Conversely in (for example) the Florida Keys the water is crystal clear. I've also been told that that water is impoverished, much less plankton. If that's the case it would seem to me that the bottom of the food chain may be the coral, along with what little plankton there is.

That would suggest that if the coral bleaches and dies, the food chain in those water collapses. Lose the coral, lose the fisheries and the sport fishing tourism along with the (my part in this) snorkeling tourism. Basically lose the economy of the Keys, except for maybe alcohol tourism in Key West.

I'm willing to admit that these are slightly educated guesses, and there is a good chance that I'm wrong on some of these points, perhaps all. I'm ready to be corrected.

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I think there are at least three domains through which we can expect how the world's religions will react (or, if they're ahead of the curve, are reacting) and will be affected by the coming collapse; practical, ethical and eschatological:

Practical: how will everyday practice, leadership and worship be affected?

Ethical: what sort of messages regarding society and the environment do they give out? Will this change?

Eschatological: how will collapse affect their view of the End Times, if such a thing applies?

[Just a caveat that I'm not a sociologist or anything of the sort, just a collapsenik with an armchair interest in religion, and that the above list is by no means exhaustive; if you think there are any other axes along which we can try and measure religion vis. collapse I would love to hear your thoughts]

Catholic, Orthodox and mainline Protestant Christianity:

Practical: these churches are hierarchically-organised and struggled in the pandemic by not being able to offer their parishioners the sacraments, which are the focus of their worship and practice. As chaos sets in around the world I anticipate a similar kind of institutional crisis taking place, and when government authority breaks down it's not hard to imagine clerical authority going down with it.

Ethical: heads of these churches (particularly Pope Francis) have emphasised the importance of good stewardship of the environment and taking care of creation, but at an institutional level appear wedded to the BAU model. Arch-conservatives in their ranks are openly hostile to climate science.

Eschatological: although Christianity is an apocalyptic religion at heart, these denominations are typically very cautious when discussing the End Times. That said, I anticipate there will be an upwards-facing ripple effect of speculation when shit really starts hitting the fan.

Evangelical/non-mainline Protestant Christianity:

Practical: in some respects, better-poised than the Christian denominations mentioned above, as the emphasis is on scripture and one's personal relationship with God rather than participating in sacraments, although the declining feasibility of attending church will throw a lot of people for a wobble.

Ethical: climate skepticism amongst Evangelicals, particularly in the USA, seems really high. I imagine some will welcome collapse for eschatological reasons (a desire to accelerate into the Rapture), some will remain stubbornly skeptical of climate science, and the more cautious will be sensible and point to scripture as justification for taking care of the planet.

Eschatological: End Times rhetoric will go through the roof. A great many Evangelicals preach about it even at the best of times.

Islam:

Practical: not as hierarchical as Christianity on the whole, and no equivalent to sacraments received in a place of worship, so there will be less of an institutional crisis. That said, pilgrimage to Mecca is pretty central to Islam, and there is a good chance this will become highly impractical (if not impossible) when collapse really starts to bite.

Ethical: from what I have read Islam encourages good environmental stewardship, although the extent to which this is taken onboard appears patchy (cf. Saudi Arabia).

Eschatological: as with Christianity, Islam is an apocalyptic religion, so End Times speculation will almost certainly increase.

Buddhism, Hinduism, Jainism, Judaism and any others not listed:

I have read that according to some schools of Hindu thought, we are currently in the 'Kali Yuga' or a protracted age of chaos, and so collapse may not come as a huge surprise to many. That said, I'm not as well informed about how these faiths operate from a practical and creedal POV, and would welcome any input.

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Asking clever Redditors for a likeness to help explain what we are experiencing now.

Often used are similitudes with the Titanic, a runaway train, or a free falling plane. However, these analogies are flawed because everybody on board were affected the same way at the same time, e.g. all the Titanic passengers had to suddenly escape drowning in frigid waters (even if those reaching lifeboats had better chances to survive than others). A plummeting plane will end up with everybody screaming and hitting earth at supersonic speed in a mighty crash (while some might still be enjoying a last glass of champagne in first class).

Our current Collapse, however, is better seen as 'death by a 1000 cuts' (each crisis amplifying each other in a polycrisis bigger than their sum), mixed with 'the boiling frog' experiment (where it is hard for many people to realize the condition they are in) and offering a wide range of local issues (seawater ingress in Florida vs. forest fires in Siberia vs. fisheries extinction in Cambodia) including different timelines (New Zealand passport, anyone?)

So is there a well known scenario, taken from real life or popular culture, that could capture all of the above to illustrate what we are experiencing? I can't come up with anything.

SS: This is relevant to the r/collapse subreddit as we need to find an easy-to-understand way to convey the gravity but also the complexity of the situation to those around us.

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Coal, bombs, gang warfare, an assassination attempt on Trump, forest degradation, and a lot more heat records.

Last Week in Collapse: July 7-13, 2024

This is Last Week in Collapse, a weekly newsletter compiling some of the most important, timely, useful, soul-shattering, ironic, stunning, exhausting, or otherwise must-see/can’t-look-away moments in Collapse.

This is the 133rd newsletter. You can find the June 30-July 6 edition here if you missed it last week. You can also receive these posts (with images) every Sunday in your email inbox with the Substack version.

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Hurricane Beryl weakened as it moved north from Texas into the United States, but still caused flash flooding as far as New England—and a record number of tornado alerts for July. At least 8 Americans died as the storm moved through the southern United States. Cyclones in Canada can also spread wildfire smoke aerosols.

Although Colombia continues to lose forest cover each year, the amount deforested hit a record low for over 20 years. In 2023, 792 square km of forest was lost—equivalent to about half the size of Greater London. A Nature study on forest “degradation from selective logging, fire and edge effects is a major driver of carbon and biodiversity loss, with annual rates comparable to those of deforestation.” The effect of degradation doesn’t stop at the edge of roads or farms, but can be felt over one mile into the forest as well.

Run for the hills. A study in Geophysical Research Letters concluded that high elevation regions (2000m+) will be much more likely to preserve (and even increase) their biodiversity than lower-lying regions, as climate change worsens. The study used “Shannon's diversity index” (SHDI) to evaluate biodiversity over the past 70 years, and predicts high elevation zones will also become refugia for displaced species.

A study from Earth’s Future found that the capacity of American forests to store carbon has been impacted by Drought and wildfires. 19 forest regions were examined in the American West. “Global drought trends are on the rise, leading to diminished terrestrial water storage, increased plant water stress, and elevated tree mortality. In many places, extreme droughts are amplifying the frequency, size and severity of climate-sensitive disturbances, like fire and insect outbreaks, that can cause widespread tree mortality and convert vast quantities of carbon from live to dead pools,” the authors write.

Flash Droughts are becoming increasingly common in South Asia, particularly in the “crop season.” The reason: “meteorological forcing,” which is basically a process in which air rises, preventing the transportation of moist air to the region. One lead researcher claims, “flash droughts will expand and worsen in the future, requiring adaptation measures for the water, agriculture, and energy sectors.”

Scientists published a 52-page white paper through the University of Chicago to debate the pros, cons, and potentials for geoengineering to be employed to protect (or prolong the life of) glaciers. The paper’s top priority is reducing, or at least slowing, the amount of carbon released into the atmosphere. Scientists proposed as possible solutions: constructing large underwater curtains to prevent warm ocean water from undermining glaciers, boring lots of holes into glaciers to impact meltwater runoff, and attempting to artificially freeze the bottoms of glaciers. “Even the most optimistic reductions of future greenhouse gas emission, in the absence of either carbon dioxide removal or solar geoengineering used at sufficient scale to significantly reduce radiative forcing, will not prevent ice-sheet melt and attendant sea level rise…”

After briefly dipping below record global sea surface temperatures, earth broke the record again, for early July. The Solomon Islands set a new July minimum temperature, 27.5 °C (81.5 °F), and several locations in California also set all-time highs—but Death Valley did not break the all-time hottest temperature as predicted. Earth has exceeded 1.5 °C warming for 12+ months in a row now.

Other places in the United States set heat records, and 146M+ people were put under heat alerts—and at least 6 died. NYC hit temperatures so high that a swing bridge’s metal expanded so much that it couldn’t close again. A city in Oman set a new July record, as did the Azores, and temperatures are reaching such severities in Japan that the government has added a new level of heatstroke warning. Meanwhile, La Plata, in Argentina, tied its all-time low temperature, and southern Africa felt a few new cold records fall. And a heat wave struck eastern Europe & the Balkans.

Hundreds of thousands of illegal miners in Zimbabwe, alongside seasonal Droughts and floods, are impacting the water quality, biodiversity, and forest cover in the country. Desperate for a tiny bit of gold, these miners have compounded stresses for subsistence farmers. In Myanmar, 31,000+ people were evacuated to avoid flooding. So far this year, over 35,000 sq km of Russia has been burnt by wildfires, equivalent to a little more than Taiwan.

A 60-page white paper examined the impacts of wildfires on earth and civilization, according to a bunch of scientists attending a conference last year. Overall earth territory burned is down from 2001, although fire intensity and fire risk has risen.

“Changing trends in fire regimes (e.g., fire intensity or spatial organisation) in response to climate change (e.g., drought, loss of ice or snow, or changing temperature) and human activity (e.g., firefighting, deforestation, urban expansion, or land management), are altering interactions between fire and other components of the Earth System, including societies….the magnitude and frequency of extreme fire events have been increasing rapidly, particularly in extra-tropical and polar regions….Increasing fire weather potential is expected to impact environments where ample fuel loads are present and where fuel dryness is the dominant control on fire….Prime examples of a sensitivity to climate include the temperate and boreal forests, such as those in boreal Canada, western Northern America, Siberia, and southeast Australia….there is consensus in the community that humanity will see more and larger impacts in the coming years…” -excerpts from the report

Two died in Turkish flooding. Uttarakhand, India, set a new heat & flooding record for the last 2 months. 5+ people died from flooding in South Korea with several thousand evacuated; part of that country [felt its worst flooding](https://watchers.news/2024/07/10/south-korea-hit-by-most-in...


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The reason why we are heading towards collapse is because humanity is chained to capital. Humanity is stuck in this expansion equals victory and survival reality, which it can not get out off. A cage that will kill of humanity in the end.

For examining history, it seems every other alt system that existed was wiped out. Any other alternative besides this expansionist process is gone, or suppressed. Because every other system could not resist the extreme expansion, highly complex and very pro growth economic model of the western empires.

For example, look at the spanish empire as it created one of the first global empires. Its empire was built on top of the destruction of different groups and their political systems(natives americans). Then look at the British empire and its European competitors who conquered the world even further. Conquered it in a way that further destroyed any alternative systems(africans, indians, asians, etc). Then finally look at the americans which completely enveloped the world in the pursuit of capital. By beating out the alternatives like socialism or communism and further destroying other systems/groups too(native americans)

map of imperialism 1800s

map of imperialism 1914

(the second map details latin america as blank but I think we all know that latin america was under us sphere of influence.)

us sphere of influence political cartoon 1912

In all three of these, all of these conquering occurred due to the expansionary, complex, and rapid growth model that these empires had(well rapid growth in relation to the world they live in). The spanish with the very pro expansion and growth model of spanish mercantilism proceeded to use that to dominate native groups in americas. The british with the very expansive, complex, and high growth model of the industrial revolution used that to defeat many groups/imperialize them. And then proceed to build their empire through this method. And finally the americans and the other european powers proceeded to establish their empires the same way too. (using the same model and resulting imperialism)

Therefore we live in the world where the most expansionist complex and pro-growth systems won out. Simply because the other more restrained models could not beat them. The natives with their restrained systems got destroyed by these western empires. The Africans with their alt system got colonized by these same western empires. The asians with their different systems experienced massive imperialism from those same western groups. Any other system which could present an alternative just could not beat these empires system. Since the rapid expansion and massive economic growth/complexity associated with these empires systems was just too strong

(opium wars)

Its only when these western empires were challenged by countries that presented a far superior economic growth, complexity and expansionist model did these empires  fall. The spanish empire fell in part because it was increasingly encroached and defeated by the british one(a country associated with the first industrial revolution while spain was economically undeveloped in comparison). The british empire then fell and was replaced by the american one(a country that experienced rapid industrial development and the invention of very innovative industrial advancements. Developments that far superseded anything that was happening in britain during this time) And the american empire is now slowly losing to the chinese nation (a country that also experienced rapid industrial development and the establishment of new innovative technologies. Meanwhile america is now deindustrialized and financialized) Stuff that support the idea that the most expansionist and developed ones tend to overcome the previous ones. Reinforcing the idea that this world is dominated by ones who expand and grow the most and not the ones who don't.

And before you mention what about the imperialized groups? Those guys have resisted and defeated these empires too. But even here we see the reinforcement of the expansion= domination or survival rule. For the way they resisted doubles down on that idea.

For what happened to the descendants of those same imperialized groups? They either had to adopt the same methodology in order to survive (meiji restoration, modern china, south east asia). Or were forced to adopt the same systems and then proceeded to keep them, so to function in the modern world(africans, some native americans, other groups). Aka the imperialized groups had to play the same western game in order to resist and survive.

sino japanese war aka japan copying the west

Meanwhile in the cases where these imperialized groups pursued alternative modernity systems like communism so to resist. Those groups eventually adopted elements of capitalism in order to compete or survive, (china, vietnam) straight out abandoned communism and regressed back into capitalism (russia, eastern europe), or became isolated weak states (north korea). All of this happening because they needed to adapt for the western hegemony system during this time(capitalism) just beat out communism in terms of growth, expansion and etc

And even in the cases where the groups decided to return to a past system(iran)in order to resist. In practice they still had to follow the global workings of modern politics and economy. For they still needed to pursue economic and military growth in order to not fall behind. Especially since if they fall behind that poses a risk to their system. Afghanistan is an example of this, specifically their increasing ties with chinas economy.

Thus in all these three things, the imperialized groups had to adopt the same methodologies and shit, of the western empire groups in order to survive.  Which shows, once again, the world is run in this expansionist, growth, and etc =survival or domination. For the imperialized groups themselves had to adopt these things to survive and even win, in the first place(china).

After all the ones that failed to adopt or close to power gap that western nations had expirenced horrible fates. For their lands are now mainly occupied by the descendants of those imperialist powers(america and other regions). Descendants who then proceeded to bring the same pro capital system into these native lands.

manifest destiny but with a skeleton

Besides the nations or groups things, you can go even one step further regarding the expansion shit, and point out that companies go through the same expansion, growth and etc = survival or domination process.

After all, its the biggest corporations, not the sme ones, that dominate the world and influence the government. Companies that won out because they pursued expansionary growth no matter the costs. A good example being tncs(blackrock).

Blackrock https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/24/business/economy/fed-blackrock-pandemic-crisis.html

For look at the small and medium companies. They either end up dying off, have barely any influence compared to large corporations or get absorbed by those same large corporations. There's a reason why statistics show that  a lot of small business die off very quickly overtime.

Thus those previously mentioned large corporations (tncs) end up taking over. They end up dominating the world through their economic power. For we not only live in the world where the most expansionary, complex and pursue growth no matter the cost, nations won in the end. But we also live in a world where corporations with those same characteristics dominate the global economy too.

Therefore, the point of this whole essay, is if we look at this historical trend  the ones who embrace the most complex, expansionist, and massive economic growth structures beat out the rest. And the ones who don't are forced to adopt the same structures in order to survive.

Which is why a lot humanity keeps choosing the worst options possible. Why we cant pursue degrowth, or other sorts of economic limitations. Because the modern world, especially now after the victory of neoliberalism, is built on this expansion no matter the cost foundation. It is the only surviving system that shapes how our modern world operates. Aka we are stuck in a cage that was shaped by the victory of capital.

the human cage

(tho perhaps the chinese system may lead us out of it. But thats a discussion for another day)

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