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This document has at the very least value as an historical artefact regardless of how broken our current system of democracy is. Destroying it just turns more people against their cause. I understand they’re making a point about how the majority will not vote for policies which help the environment. Democracy is fundamental to creating a society where people have a say in how politics is done. Are you suggesting the government should push through policies that the majority are against? Even if they did they’d risk losing the next election. Or are you suggesting we get rid of democracy altogether? I’m not sure an autocracy would be a good thing overall even if they were working to improve the environment. Ultimately the issue is that the majority of people prioritise their current lifestyle over sustaining the environment. Enforcing policies which the majority are against isn’t really a healthy solution to this. If JSO want to change people’s minds, maybe focusing on educating people and non harmful protests would go a lot further than vandalising stuff and causing disruption.
When I said it only has value when there are people to value it, I didn't mean the system would break further, I meant that we are in the middle of an anthropogenic mass extinction. They didn't succeed- two octagenarians were not meant to- but the next time they might actually try. They aren't looking for recruits, they are warning us. They are getting more desperate.
Am I suggesting the government do- no. If the system of government were going to take meaningful action to curb a global mass extinction event, it would have by now.
The government will do whatever it wishes, as it ever has. I advocate overthrowing the government. Revolution. Bloody, violent revolution if necessary. To whatever new system will take the existential threat seriously, and wield its vast inherited power to prevent that apocalypse. Autocracy, communism, whatever will not hum and haw and wait for a more convenient season to face toward annihilation with a bold face and take the difficult, necessary steps.
Educating people... Please: Listen to yourself. Read back your own words. "healthy solutions" instead of inconvenient lifestyle changes, the value of history over an existentially threatened future.
People dont want to be 'educated' by people they equate to doomsayers standing on the corner with a megaphone. And do you seriously think people havent been trying, for decades now to do that very thing?
The environment... people have been told its about the environment, and it is that. It is about the plants that are reducing in quantity and quantity in the stifling heat and soon not to be producing enough for everyone to eat. It is about the beetles and the earthworms who do their thankless toil maintaining the earth for those plants to grow. It is about the fish who choke on our waste and the fungi we prevent from accessing.
It is also about us. What will we eat? Where will our children play? What layers of ventilated plastic will we have to wear to survive the heat? We. Live. In. The. Envirnoment.
You want an education? Here's one few seem to know about, and I dont wonder why: Ocean acidification. CO~2~ dissolves in our ocean and the pH goes down. More CO~2~, more acidic. This in turn dissolves the shells of marine life. Those marine life produce almost 80% of the oxygen we need to fucking breathe. In combination with the burning, clearcutting and, generally, rape of the planet's forests and jungles that we might continue to eat fucking hamburgers, we will, sooner than anyone could possibly wish, Suffocate.
Fuck the magna carta, and fuck a democracy that refuses to let us come up for breath.
peaceful education, forsooth. this education is inherently violent, and I for one am tired of pretending it isn't.
Bloody, violent revolution 🙌
Is that really the only thing you took from that entire passionate-
we are doomed and we deserve it.