Not hating on open source, just let people use what fits their expectations and needs and stop deterring them with gatekeeping :P
UX = user experience
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I do find it a bit odd to monetize a client for a service which is 100% free. Not necessarily against it, but it bothers me slightly.
I have to laugh at the 100% free moniker. Sure, the CODE is free. Do you seriously think hosting, domains, certificates, maintenance, and everything that goes into an instance just poofs out of nowhere? Seriously?
Lemmy and Mastodon are both paid products. Maybe you don't pay (and you should) but you should disabuse yourself of the illusion that Lemmy just happens.
Even code is not free. Any decent developer writing code does so with an opportunity cost. If those developers want to provide that software to others for free, that’s great. But it still costs their own time and skills that they could be monetizing. For many people it’s a hobby.
Certs have been free for years.
Lemny is a "paid product" by your definition, but is still open source...
By 100% free I meant on the end of the client. And it's not like the money from the monetization of sync is going towards hosting lemmy servers.
And you've missed the point again.
You use Lemmy for 100% free because other people pay to keep the lights on.
Sync is no different. The dev needs to eat.
Then we shall upload the dev to a computer so it does not need to eat.
Go ahead and reread my comment.
You might use Lemmy for 100% free, but you're being subsidized by the rest of us who pay the hosts to keep these instances alive. THAT is why Lemmy doesn't have ads.
First off, you say the rest of us. Do you support lemmy financially yourself? (Genuine question, not trying to call you our or anything)
But that same thing can be said about all open-source software. I don't fully get your point. The reason the whole sync thing feels wrong to me is just because all that expensive fancy stuff, whether server hosting or the framework and protocol itself, isn't the service you're paying for. All that is free for the end user. Paying for essentially just the UI seems odd. It'd be like having a desktop environment for Linux that's paid only.
I sure do support my instance! And to be clear I'm not trying to be an asshole or be argumentative for no reason. I know I'm acerbic and flippant, but I'm really not trying to just be a contrarian asshole.
If you don't mind the UX as is, this is true. However. For a lot of people (myself included) Lemmy as it is, is annoying as hell to use. The interface is downright bad at times and most of the 3rd party apps are hot garbage that work when they feel like it. For some people, the web app is great, or Jerboa is great, or whatever iOS client is great (I'm on Android).
Good for them! But for others, they're willing to pay a dev to make a UX that they like. That's literally all it is. There's a group of users who really like what Dawson did with Reddit, and asked him to port that to Lemmy. That's important; he didn't do this for no reason. He cashed in his chips when the API fuckery happened, and only built Sync for Lemmy because there was demand.
And your analogy is apt! There are paid Linux distros; Zorin comes to mind immediately. Despite the fact that you can download any distro you want (or even build your own environment from scratch) there's value in paying a dev to build a better interface. It's as simple as that.
I've gone through this a few times. When he (and his users) realized he wasn't going to continue developing Sync for reddit, he asked us what to do. We requested the Lemmy app. He's always been super receptive to us and we're comfortable supporting him. He's developing it alone and got fucked by a company trying to inflate themselves to cash in on an IPO.
Yes the app developer should totally work for free.
Also servers are free to run yay.
Seriously what in the world?
Sync does have it's own servers, that's what ultra is partially. Extra features provided by his servers.
This is why lemmy may die.
It is not free. It's not close to free. You can use it for free because someone else is subsidizing your use.
But the money comes from somewhere.
I pay proton to use their webmail service, even though email is a free service.
I pay to register a domain name even though typing URLs into a browser are free.
I pay to host my website even though visiting websites is free.
Right?
Im willing to pay for quality of life improvements
It bothers me a lot. Also considering OP and the ones with the same thoughts are using lemmy instead of reddit but still support fucking sync, i realize all of them are hypocrite or just stupid.
What do you think is wrong about sync? The developer has had a low cost well supported product for quite a while. I must be missing your point.
Makes money over fediverse
Closed source
Collects data
nothing wrong with that
nothing wrong with that
the data collection modules have not been initialized in the Sync code
But continue evangelizing.
Wtf you mean by "nothing wrong with that", if its not wrong then fuck off from lemmy, go to reddit there is a lot more content over there
And how the fuck do you know the data collection modules are not initialized, and will not be initialized
Seems a strange thing to be bothered by to that extent.
"all of them are hypocrite" what is this imaginary group being hypocritical about?
We are using lemmy, because its foss, because it doesnt commercialize anything, because its decentralized; if thats not the case for you just use reddit, there is a lot more content over there.
Sync is making money over fediverse, closed source, and collects data. So now, can you see the point?
Fuck right off with the gatekeeping you melt of a man child.
You are using lemmy because it's FOSS, because it doesn't commercialise anything, because its decentralised.
Chill out
If you dont use becuase what i have listed, there is no reason to stay here, just go where the content is more, and you can easily pay for api key and use custom interface for reddit.
Instead of spending your time with raging to a random stranger on internet, just ignore or logically discuss with me.
This type of comment and attitude is what reeks in FOSS. Really unfortunate.
So defending basic ideas of FOSS is what reeks in foss. If this is what you think, pls no need to discuss further
What in the world are you on about?
Oh the irony of this comment.. calling others hypocritical and stupid when they themselves don't have the full context into the reason people beg for Sync... The irony is too strong
If its closed source, have a subscription model, and collects data i would rather not use that 3rd party app. Those things come before UX for me and if you are someone who came from reddit(like me) instead of payin for an api key and still use 3rd party app you must have the same side with me or you are just lying to yourself or dont know why left reddit(i expressed this situation with stupidity).
As i said, there is a lot more content on reddit, go over there pay what you pay to sync for lemmy and use reddit. Same thing with lots of more content.
You are entitled to make any assumptions you want about my choice. I'm glad you have your criteria for choosing the platforms and apps you like, and I celebrate that.
Unfortunately, you don't really know my reasoning for my choice of platform and app, so telling me to go to Reddit based on your mis-assumptions about why I like Lemmy and Sync really highlights the core issue here.
Anyway, good luck to you bud. I hope you have a great Friday.