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These are not mutually exclusive. We can acknowledge our privilege but still recognise that we are in solidarity (or should be) with those who have fewer privileges.
No one is saying you're the same, and certainly not the same in every way except class.
It's like me saying that both myself and Sid Meier are both millennials does not mean we're in every other category together.
Which is why I very explicitly said I was both.
I even explicitly said we should team up.
I would accuse you of responding to the wrong post, had you not explicitly quoted parts of mine.
I read your comment, but I disagree that pointing to a common working class is "kind of silly." It does not erase anything else you said. It's just one category.
The point is we all sell our labour for money, and we can never stop doing that - not how much money we get in exchange for our labour.
I guess I wasn't clear with that statement. It's claiming that the recognition of these differences is a conspiracy to keep us down that I think is silly.
I figured that would be obvious because that is what the tweet is about, but I guess I should have been more clear.
I don't see any reason to bring conspiracies into it, it's just the way people are socialised to think of poorer workers as inferior, or workers with the most perks as the "betters." I'm not accusing you of this, but it's a part of the same dividing principle outlined in the op.
Like I'm sitting at 6 figures fucking around on my phone while someone fixes my dishwasher downstairs, so I'm feeling the privilege intensely atm. I recognise there are real, material differences between individual workers.
However when talking about class specifically, I think it's very important that we don't muddy the waters between workers.
I think that's what's got people (myself included) riled up by your comment.
This is my point. The submission is about this important recognition being a conspiracy to keep us down. I think that's silly.
Well that's where we disagree then
So you think claiming that these terms were made up by the owning class in order to divide the working class is not a conspiracy theory? What is it then?
An ideology which serves the owners and is propagated by they and us, for reasons both cynical and genuine. But ultimately, I believe, serves the owners best.
Blatantly dodging the question
I'll speak more plainly. No, It's not a conspiracy, it's an ideology
Oh, I see now. Can a conspiracy theory be an ideology then? Like I could agree that it's both an ideology (a weird one, how it serves the owning class, I have no idea) and a conspiracy theory. But I still don't see how it isn't a conspiracy theory.