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cfgaussian was saying that BAR repeats a lot of NATO talking points about Ukraine and you're saying that repeating NATO talking points is actually "code-switching" for survival. Ok, then what's the point? What's the point of having a leftist org that repeats imperialist talking points?
What part of "they essentially have to to keep a platform and keep from getting funneled into carceral slavery, considering the settler-left will conveniently overlook as much of our shit as they feel they can get away with" did you not read out of that? What would you have? That the colonized subjects of empire just submit themselves to the death squads doing shit to appease your desire for internal purity-of-thought? I already know to disregard their geopolitical takes regarding NATO in favor of their coverage of movements in the New Afrikan community, and that of the global south, so... What is your point here? This isn't something that can be warrant canary'd, you actually have to read between the lines here. Shocking, I know.
You make a very good point that BAR should not be discarded just because they have some bad takes on the Ukraine conflict. We need them for all the good work that they do in so many other respects, we simply support the good positions that they take and reject the bad ones. But by the same logic however, could you not simply disregard the reactionary positions of those involved in the RAWM protests and just focus on supporting their anti-NATO and anti-war activism? Is that not something that is inherently valuable for the communist movement regardless which ideological direction that it comes from? As communists we should have enough confidence in our own convictions that we don't need fear being subsumed and losing our identity just because we work together on occasion with people and groups from different ideological camps. After all, we also have no problem working with anarchists and even socdems when it comes to things like labor organizing, tenant unions, prisoner advocacy, etc. So long as the practical results are positive isn't that what really matters?
The average anarchist doesn't tend to have a track record of genocidal language against the already trod-upon. That's exactly where my issue is-- I've already seen the receipts regarding "the extermination of 'transgenderism'", I've already seen their racially-anxious whelping, I've already seen how their sausage is made-- and that's why I can't trust a coalition movement that has their involvement to be anything other than a Trojan Horse to their own ends. They can say whatever they'd like to try and backpeddle; their water-bearers can bear those buckets all day; it's not gonna change the fact that the record is there.
Like I said a few days ago-- these Mises Caucus mfs are going to use this event to catapult into electoral politics through their own base; and our people will have helped them do it. I see this as nothing more than 'choosing the form of the Destroyer' ala Ghostbusters. I wish I had your optimism in the settler-imperial left; because based on what I've seen thus far? I expect them to fold at the slightest bit of pressure. There is not a track record for solidarity here.