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Nato members have pledged their support for an "irreversible path" to future membership for Ukraine, as well as more aid.

While a formal timeline for it to join the military alliance was not agreed at a summit in Washington DC, the military alliance's 32 members said they had "unwavering" support for Ukraine's war effort.

Nato has also announced further integration with Ukraine's military and members have committed €40bn ($43.3bn, £33.7bn) in aid in the next year, including F-16 fighter jets and air defence support.

The bloc's Secretary-General Jens Stoltenberg said: "Support to Ukraine is not charity - it is in our own security interest."

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[–] [email protected] 58 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Where do you draw the line? If you are happy to give up Ukraine to avoid a nuclear war, where do you stop? Can he take all of Eastern Europe? What about the whole of Europe? Everywhere except your country?

Putin is a bully, and you stand up to bullies.

Besides, he might have the most nukes, but given the maintenance costs for 5,000+ of them and the corruption in Russia, most of them probably won’t work.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I have more cars than all my friends put together.

Of course, they're all in various pieces, parting out for scrap, and in storage, so only my main driver works...

But hey, I've got the most cars!

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

You draw the line at "stop attacking outside your borders and we don't have an issue" it isn't hard...Russia has decided it wants to be seen as the villain and it wants the war to keep going ... Has nothing to do with NATO or the US.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Besides, he might have the most nukes, but given the maintenance costs for 5,000+ of them and the corruption in Russia, most of them probably won’t work.

I don't disagree with the rest of what you said, but this is kind of a silly dismissal. First of all "most of them" don't need to work. Only a few need to and vast numbers of people will die and the Earth may be poisoned for many years.

Yes, stand up to Putin. Absolutely give Ukraine NATO membership. But don't act like there's no risk here. There's a huge risk.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

I wasnt acting like there was no risk, 1 nuke is too many, especially when a dictator has his finger on the button. Russia might have the highest quantity of nukes, but i'd be surprised if they had the most working nukes as the US stockpile isnt far off Russia's.

Regardless, I wouldnt let the fact Russia is a nuclear capable nation deter us from doing what is right.