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Hamas’s Qassam Brigades has threatened to execute Israeli captives if Israel continues to bombard and kill civilians in Gaza.

“Any targeting of innocent civilians without warning will be met regretfully by executing one of the captives in our custody, and we will be forced to broadcast this execution,” said Abu Obeida, a spokesman for Hamas’ Qassam Brigades.

“We regret this decision but we hold the Zionist enemy and their leadership the responsibility for this,” he said.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Live 30-40 years in a place where an occupying nation walls your cities, treats you as prisoners, denies and steals resources, and we'll see which kind of hate you will harbour against your aggressors. You will just see red. I'm not condoning what they are doing but I get why they do, they have been suffering for so long that they want the aggressors to feel the same, and at this point, for them, anyone in Israel is the aggressor. A cornered rabid dog bites anyone.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

1937, 1947, 2000, 2001, 2008. These are the years on which the Arab side of Palestine was offered the choice of gaining statehood, but they said no.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Well, yeah, they take half your belongings and they then tell you to accept what you have, I don't think they will accept it. I don't believe for an instant that the statehood they were offered covers the land they should have. Is this one of the proposals? What is that divided country.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/bd/UN_Palestine_Partition_Versions_1947.jpg

Now, this is the 2008 proposal? It looks hummilliating.

~~https://images.jpost.com/image/upload/f_auto,fl_lossy/c_fill,g_faces:center,h_407,w_690/448211 .~~

~~I don't know if the second image is correct, but given that it is known that israel has been taking land from palestine, what was offered in 2000, 2001 and 2008 would be even less than 1947, and that one looks super bad too, so I really get why they didn't accept that mockery of a proposal.~~

~~Edit: look at the 1995 map and tell me that excomunicating the country in such manner (water pipes, electricity, anything that requires having the country conencted simply doesn't work) isn't anything but horrible: https://www.aljazeera.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/05/INTERACTIVE-Ethnic-cleansing.png?w=770&resize=770%2C770 .~~ I have read more and it seems like this is some sort of propaganda, so although the progress of the control zones is kinda correct, the proposals were not those. Don't check this map. I any case, this source seems more credible and the map is really, really fragmented, my point still stands: https://www.nzz.ch/english/israeli-palestinian-conflict-how-the-political-maps-have-changed-ld.1664125

Again, not condoning their actions but... fuck, I really get why they are doing it.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Well, yeah, they take half your belongings and they then tell you to accept what you have, I don’t think they will accept it.

This statement might be valid for the peace plans of 2000s. I don't think it can be applied to the original suggestions in 1930s and 1940s, since they were getting to own their land for the first time since Britain's colonisation. That might have been the time to accept compromises, especially given the Palestinian Arabs' relations with the Nazis during and before WW2.

And of course afterwards, it was the Arabs who launched the first war against Israel in 1948.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Since colonization, before colonization they were a country called Palestine.

Here's a map from 1400 showing Palestine.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Palestine#/media/File%3APresent-Day_Palestine_and_the_Holy_Land_-_1400s.png

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

There's gotta be some limit how far to the history we should be looking at when deciding who gets to live where.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago

Israeli were expelled in like 500ad, the nearest claim would be pre ottoman Syria which was Palestine.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

LMFAO, we've beat you like dogs and taken 99% of your land, accept this peace offering... Or else.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Again, that's not what 1937 and 1947 were about at all.