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I remember when this site used to praise him because I think he said some shit about Bernie and healthcare and housing being unaffordable lol
Everybody is for better conditions. The question is who is willing to accept sacrifice for better conditions of people they don't know at all
literally when lol, don't just make shit up
Back when I first joined there were some decently upbeared comments about how Hasan might be turning Asmongold into a comrade because he repeated some talking points about wage labor or the state's monopoly on violence or something.
I mean it really depends on what we're arguing, whether the site as a whole believed something naive or whether fifty to a hundred people on it did.
If we go waaaaaaaaaayyyyy back to the chapo sub there were some highly upvoted doozies in hindsight irt reading far too much into throwaway "celebrity" statements like thinking Ye and Grimes were on our side because they said some vague critical things about neoliberalism and imperialism respectively.
The comrade Britney thing started silly but some people took it a little too serious as points there and I'm still waiting for her to say or do something super reactionary any day now.
Anyways that's a tangent, lemme search:
https://hexbear.net/comment/259335
literally one guy's comment from a 4 year old post that isn't even about him lol. I'd expect a qualifier like 'I remember when this site used to praise him[...]' to be referring to at least 3 posts with 50+ comments actually praising him. Instead we have:
This is just a comment saying that WoW Streamer was on his stream parroting the politics of the last guy he spoke to. Not even in a praising way lol. If anything this is more Hasan praise - which sure, is definitely an argument to get into (not with me, I don't care about Hasan) but I think it is definitely wrong and a gross mischaracterization of the site to say that we've ever 'praised' Asmongold or Kanye West or even Grimes. It seems like you read someone facetiously commenting 'based' on a random "X Celebrity said Y thing in public" post and conflate that with them thinking 'wow they're finally a leftist and have my undying support now'.
I'm not seeing any legitimate praise from this post and that is quite literally one of the oldest posts you can find when searching 'Kanye' and maybe the only one I saw during the 30 seconds I searched that had any amount of 'praise' in the title: https://hexbear.net/post/28862
The top comment is literally:
anyways
I don't really care because yeah, they're all celebrities who are inconsequential to my life and I'm not fans of any of the above -- I just think its kinda wild to say something like "I remember when this site was actually pretty pro reddit" and point to a post that is talking about inviting people from a banned leftist sub.
There was more than that but I'm not searching for everything.
It's absolutely "in a praising way".
The context is that Hasan was influencing other "grillpilled" streamers and therefore that their opinions were improving.
The comment before it was
And the user I linked called Hasan being a good influence on Asmongold "almost an understatement, lmao"
This though just shows that not enough of us touch enough grass and speak to people outside of leftist circles, because people will say something promising then rubberband back to something super reactionary. It happens all the time.
Once again I'm not sure if we're arguing that the site as a whole has had some bad takes or that enough people on it to make their opinions moderately visible have.
I'm just arguing the latter.
Eh, I think that was more about people realizing that the king of the Gamers(tm) could recognize that there were problems in particular because some of his stories about not being able to afford care for his family was relatable to many (going off memory here, so please correct me if im misremembering).
Am I wrong or did Bernie himself flip on Israel? Like, I think before the current assault, he was way more open and critical of Israel. Or maybe he was always like this and we - the younger, progressive people he partly energized back in 2016 - just shifted way more to the left than him without even realizing, leaving him behind?
I remember how his position back in Oct-Nov of 2023 came to me as somewhat shocking/disappointing, but I didn't pay too much attention to it, because I frankly didn't care what he had to say. It was just more words on Twitter from yet another politician. If he wasn't going to be an ally, then there was no use paying any attention to him. And I think now he's trying to pivot along with a bunch of other politicians, in which case, again, he's not that different from any of them.