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It's the dunk tank.

This is where you come to post big-brained hot takes by chuds, libs, or even fellow leftists, and tear them to itty-bitty pieces with precision dunkstrikes.

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Damn, that sucks. The French should have taken up Louverture on his offer instead of backstabbing him, then.

louverture-shining jb-shining

As it turns out, the Wikipedia page is shockingly wrong/misleading. The new Haitian government specifically carried out a vengeful campaign against the French whites including the poor “Petit-Blancs” who didn’t own slaves but largely supported slavery and white supremacy throughout the colony’s history, at some points even more fanatically than their rich counterparts (there was genuine threat of a mass revolt from them when the colonial government wanted to grant more rights to free mixed-race Haitians). Polish soldiers who assisted the revolution and German farmers on the island were spared, as well as non-French nationals (a common if unverified story is a white Frenchman who survived by pretending to be American).

This isn’t to say genocide under any circumstance is “okay” but I’m don’t think anyone is under any position to lecture people who were put under the sheer inhumanity of Caribbean sugar cane plantation system in particular or Transatlantic slavery in general. To say nothing of the depraved lengths the French, slave-owning or not, went to to preserve slavery in the revolutionary war (such as, as some in the comments point out, reprisal massacres, mass rapes, feeding prisoners to dogs, etc). It’s also inaccurate to say this was done only out of revenge when the fear of white French petitionining to have France reinvade was very real (as had happened). Even then, Dessalines’ mandate was far from uncontroversial or even universally-enforced. As with other things, this falls solely on France which has not even pretended to pay back the damage it has done to Haiti before, during and after the revolution.

Also, though rightoids and fashies like this guy are expected, it’s funny to see more liberal whites pearl-clutch over the 1804 massacres but somehow handwave the rest of the period as “simply another time”. You’re sure to find them under any post about the Haitian revolution bringing it up but if you bring up the fact that the American Founding Fathers were slave-owning, genocidal hypocrites on any post commemorating the 4th of July, you’re suddenly a party-pooper who doesn’t understand history.

Link if you hate yourself

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all the mainstays like "FAFO" are here. If this was during peacetime, then sure, you could think of this as an overwhelming show of force escalation after being provoked... but this was a full-scale war, the Missouri should've been destroying any enemy artillery it encountered, whether or not they shot first.

so what's going on, and why is everyone writing fanfic in the comments the kooky battleship captain itching for an excuse to cause extreme destruction? They weren't on some sleepy mission lacking for targets, according to the article, they were out blowing up tons of shit, mostly not even weapons:

"She bombarded coastal defenses, railroad tunnels, and bridges, making significant contributions to the United Nations’ efforts to push back North Korean and later Chinese forces."

"In addition to her bombardment duties, the Wisconsin served as a potent anti-aircraft platform, protecting carrier groups and other ships within the fleet from aerial attack. "

So, yeah, there is a disconnect in the narrative between the physical reality; a minor tactical engagement by an overwhelmingly superior force, and the perverse interpretation centered on punishment

and that's because the institution of orientalism deals with the orient through narratives about the orient, conditioning knowledge of the orient through a birds-eye view which places the knowing western observer as superior in every respect (more rational, logical, scientific, realistic, and objective) to the object of contemplation. This cannot be an Asian gun crew trying ineffectively to defend their homes from belligerant power. this has to be a barbarous ambush by upstart locals, daring to provoke those they should know are their betters while expecting the restraint of our superior culture to save them, only to be shown a righteous and firm hand by our captain who still maintains the correct attitude we need for dealing with the orient.

anyway, if I could stomach delving more of this, I should curate a list of most offensive comments, but luckily sort-by-score already brings out some of the worst, so I can simply copy those:

You know that captain had gone to bed saying “I wish a mfer would.” Then all of a sudden, a very faint tink was heard.

Imagine the guy with binoculars seeing not one, not three, but NINE guns tracking him

reminds me of a few middle eastern videos. One where (I think) a Houti shoot an rpg at an Saudi Abrams and the Abrams facetanks it then turns its turret to the shooter.Another one in Syria where camera guy sees the tank stopping, elevating its canon and then shooting at his relative position.Got another, funnier one

Military equivalent of "listen here, you little shit"

Don't ↵Touch ↵The Boats!

comment that finally seems to grasp people shoot each other in war, but still includes a weird fixation on self-defense, makes analogy with a boxer where the "aggressor" is at "Fault"

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https://xcancel.com/JDVance/status/1834953058054287834

The tweet:

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Dude, I've always liked you, so maybe this should be a longer conversation. But come on. "Are there no upsides to immigration?" is a radically different question from "Should we drop 20,000 people from a radically different culture in a small Ohio town in a matter of a few years?"

First of all, remember that I've been on this issue for months, well before it became viral. You have actual leftists who will say, "look, housing prices have gone up, it's great for the local residents." What about the people who don't own homes? What about the grandparents who do own homes but would like their kids to have a chance to buy a home?

Look at the number of Medicaid recipients who are newcomers. Do you not think that stresses the local hospital system? I have constituents who say they've lost their jobs, or been told they won't be getting a raise, because new migrants are willing to work for cheap. There are homeless people who can't get homes. Look at the number of ESL students in a small school district--increasing over three fold to nearly 1,000 kids. Do you think it affects the quality of the education for locals when their schools are flooded with a bunch of people who don't speak the language? I could go on and on.

Again, a longer conversation, but I don't know why your automatic assumption is that the only reason people are complaining about this is that they have bad motivations. And I cannot stand the condescension directed at all of these people who--on the record--are giving very specific testimonials about how their lives were made worse

https://www.news.com.au/world/north-america/us-politics/chilling-pic-as-cateating-claim-turns-violent/news-story/47182d4e93998fcce50f44cce5c69689 These are the real-world consequences.

https://xcancel.com/Sain4847/status/1834594269526479045

This is a really good thread, look at recent vents in the west (the UK pogroms with the Labour government's weak response, this 'cat eater' blood libel pushed by a PRESIDENTIAL candidate that the Democratic government is barely pushing back on (have they at all?), AfD, whatever the hell Macron is doing, there's an active genocide but most liberals don't care because they're comfortable, they're not Palestinians or muslims or immigrants.

The strategy for every 'left' party is to appease the far right. people in the UK stood by as a man blocked the exit of a hotel housing asylum seekers and set it on fire. BBC News tried to 'both sides' it, and all week we heard 'Um what if they had LEGITIMATE concerns?' 'Their ACTIONS were bad but their CONCERNS should be heard!!!' It's not difficult to see where this can go.

And then there's the repression of Pro-Palestine protestors on US campuses. The Squadristi are already here, they just aren't so organised yet..

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Here is the Text for people that dont want to go to reddit.world

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Hi, everyone. A lot has happened here over the last couple days, and I’ll try to explain both what has been happening and what I’m doing to hopefully fix some of the damage that’s been done. Hopefully these actions can restore even a fraction of the goodwill that we previously had with the wider Lemmy community.

What’s happened

Beaver was recently reinstated as a moderator after finding herself at the center of the recent controversy where Lemmy administrator Rooki unjustly and unilaterally interfered with /c/vegan over a discussion surrounding cat food. I was made a moderator after that same controversy when naeva resigned and went to VeganTheoryClub, an instance defederated from Lemmy.World which is designed to be a haven for discussion of vegan food, activism, art, etc. Things were generally cooling down from that over the last week.

A couple days ago, Beaver began posting to /c/vegan with remarkable frequency (~15 posts/day). Not long after, /u/ccunning contacted me asking about why they had been banned for Rule 5, which is our rule against bad-faith arguments against veganism. ccunning is a member of this community, they might even be vegan, and I’ve never seen them to be anything but mild-mannered and supportive of veganism here. Because I could find no violation, I assumed it was an accident and unbanned them. Very shortly thereafter, ccunning informed me that they had been banned again, and Beaver messaged me in private stating that ccunning had been banned for downvoting vegan comments but encouraging me not to mention that fact publicly. A post on /c/unpopularopinion soon made it apparent that many people were being banned here for this same reason, and taking a look at the mod log, I saw dozens of bans by Beaver whose only stated reason was “Rule 5”.

Beaver continued posting and continued banning, and I messaged them asking if the /c/vegan moderators could have a team-wide discussion and vote concerning this interpretation of Rule 5. I made it clear to them that I felt uncomfortable with their behavior and felt it was doing harm to the community. Beaver ignored this request and simply responded to something else I’d said. 12 hours ago, they stickied a post to the top of /c/vegan daring the admins to interfere, a reference to the previous incident involving Rooki.

here is a post about his in the evil version of the dunktank in lemmyca

funny how most of the praise is from world carnists

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This may be to Newsmax what Newsmax was to Fox News. Chud propaganda is getting concentrated.

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Wholesome azov nazi with black sun tattoo melts my heart ❤️😭

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Voyaging where? epsteingelion

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Was he 7DeadlyFetishes all along? sus-soviet

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In a new study, many people doubted or abandoned false beliefs after a short conversation with the DebunkBot.

By Teddy Rosenbluth Sept. 12, 2024 Shortly after generative artificial intelligence hit the mainstream, researchers warned that chatbots would create a dire problem: As disinformation became easier to create, conspiracy theories would spread rampantly.

Now, researchers wonder if chatbots might also offer a solution.

DebunkBot, an A.I. chatbot designed by researchers to “very effectively persuade” users to stop believing unfounded conspiracy theories, made significant and long-lasting progress at changing people’s convictions, according to a study published on Thursday in the journal Science.

Indeed, false theories are believed by up to half of the American public and can have damaging consequences, like discouraging vaccinations or fueling discrimination.

The new findings challenge the widely held belief that facts and logic cannot combat conspiracy theories. The DebunkBot, built on the technology that underlies ChatGPT, may offer a practical way to channel facts. ADVERTISEMENT SKIP ADVERTISEMENT

“The work does overturn a lot of how we thought about conspiracies,” said Gordon Pennycook, a psychology professor at Cornell University and author of the study.

Until now, conventional wisdom held that once someone fell down the conspiratorial rabbit hole, no amount of arguing or explaining would pull that person out.

The theory was that people adopt conspiracy theories to sate an underlying need to explain and control their environment, said Thomas Costello, another author of the study and assistant professor of psychology at American University.

But Dr. Costello and his colleagues wondered whether there might be another explanation: What if debunking attempts just haven’t been personalized enough?

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Since conspiracy theories vary so much from person to person — and each person may cite different pieces of evidence to support one’s ideas — perhaps a one-size-fits-all debunking script isn’t the best strategy. A chatbot that can counter each person’s conspiratorial claim of choice with troves of information might be much more effective, the researchers thought.

To test that hypothesis, they recruited more than 2,000 adults across the country, asked them to elaborate on a conspiracy that they believed in and rate how much they believed it on a scale from zero to 100.

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People described a wide range of beliefs, including theories that the moon landing had been staged, that Covid-19 had been created by humans to shrink the population and that President John F. Kennedy had been killed by the Central Intelligence Agency. Image A DebunkBot screen defines conspiracy theories and asks a viewer to describe any conspiracy theories they might find credible or compelling. A screen grab from the Debunkbot website.Credit...DebunkBot Then, some of the participants had a brief discussion with the chatbot. They knew they were chatting with an A.I., but didn’t know the purpose of the discussion. Participants were free to present the evidence that they believed supported their positions.

One participant, for example, believed the 9/11 terrorist attacks were an “inside job” because jet fuel couldn’t have burned hot enough to melt the steel beams of the World Trade Center. The chatbot responded:

“It is a common misconception that the steel needed to melt for the World Trade Center towers to collapse,” it wrote. “Steel starts to lose strength and becomes more pliable at temperatures much lower than its melting point, which is around 2,500 degrees Fahrenheit.”

After three exchanges, which lasted about eight minutes on average, participants rated how strongly they felt about their beliefs again.

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On average, their ratings dropped by about 20 percent; about a quarter of participants no longer believed the falsehood. The effect also spilled into their attitudes toward other poorly supported theories, making the participants slightly less conspiratorial in general.

Ethan Porter, a misinformation researcher at George Washington University not associated with the study, said that what separated the chatbot from other misinformation interventions was how robust the effect seemed to be.

When participants were surveyed two months later, the chatbot’s impact on mistaken beliefs remained unchanged. “Oftentimes, when we study efforts to combat misinformation, we find that even the most effective interventions can have short shelf lives,” Dr. Porter said. “That’s not what happened with this intervention.”

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Researchers are still teasing out exactly why the DebunkBot works so well.

An unpublished follow-up study, in which researchers stripped out the chatbot’s niceties (“I appreciate that you’ve taken the time to research the J.F.K. assassination”) bore the same results, suggesting that it’s the information, not the chatbot itself, that’s changing people’s minds, said David Rand, a computational social scientist at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology and an author of the paper.

“It is the facts and evidence themselves that are really doing the work here,” he said.

The authors are currently exploring how they might recreate this effect in the real world, where people don’t necessarily seek out information that disproves their beliefs.

They have considered linking the chatbot in forums where these beliefs are shared, or buying ads that pop up when someone searches a keyword related to a common conspiracy theory.

For a more targeted approach, Dr. Rand said, the chatbot might be useful in a doctor’s office to help debunk misapprehensions about vaccinations. ADVERTISEMENT SKIP ADVERTISEMENT

Brendan Nyhan, a misperception researcher at Dartmouth College also not associated with the study, said he wondered whether the reputation of generative A.I. might eventually change, making the chatbot less trusted and therefore less effective.

“You can imagine a world where A.I. information is seen the way mainstream media is seen,” he said. “I do wonder if how people react to this stuff is potentially time-bound.”

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She obviously got ratio’d including by Jill Stein herself.

Well @AOC, you supporting genocide was NOT on my bingo card, but the Democrats have a way of changing people who say they're going to "change the party from the inside".

What's the value of Democrats winning if you won’t fight for raising the minimum wage, Medicare for All, a Green New Deal, or any other policy you took from the Greens, and instead end up supporting fracking, caging kids, and genocide? Maybe it's time to watch these parties die.

Turns out, she is leading among Muslim voters in several key swing states which might be worrying some DNC officials. But rather than changing their stance, they send their “progressive” attack dog.

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Those ungrateful workers don't want make more money for billionaires and be glued to their cubicles.

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Sort by controversial for the real juice.

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https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c4gdgw0v3dxo

Hey gang, trumpidump was going to destroy hamerica, can you spare five dollars? I put on his not-a-nazi hat, a gesture of unity, I am a funny old man

Most important election of our lives! 2024 edition

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smug-explain The stupid tankies have failed to consider that I’ve created a nonfalsifiable scenario in my mind just now so actually it’s a bad thing when your industry is good smh. I know for years I’ve said it was a good thing to have strong industry and also have repeatedly explained how deindustrialization was bad and now I want to reindustrialize my own nation, so here’s a 15 minute video (NOT COPE!) on why good industry is bad but only for China.

Link to the video

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