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Tucker Carlson went after Israel — and his fellow conservatives are furious (www.vox.com)
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Carlson mainstreamed antisemitism for a long time, and conservatives seemed not to care. Then he set his sights on Israel.

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[–] [email protected] 72 points 6 months ago (5 children)

IMO the article is trash. It uses every chance to suggest that telling the truth about Israel is anti-jew and antisemitism. There is this problem people have where they grow to hate people so much like Trump or Tucker Carlson that if they said something so basic like that the Earth is round, you'd have people wanting to suddenly suggest it is flat cause they can't imagine someone they hate ever saying something correct.

There are a lot of reasons to dislike Tucker Carlson. However, not everything your enemy says or does has to be incorrect. In fact, believing that to be the case only makes you weak and vulnerable to being manipulated yourself.

[–] [email protected] 44 points 6 months ago (2 children)

However, not everything your enemy says or does has to be incorrect.

I mean...what he's saying is incorrect though. I think what Israel is doing is horrendous and should've been stopped as soon as possible, but this is what he is focusing on -

"A consistent but almost never noted theme of American foreign policy is that it is always the Christians who suffer," the broadcaster said at the start of Tucker Carlson Uncensored. "When there's a war abroad that the United States is funding, it is Christians who tend to die disproportionately."

He doesn't give a shit about what's actually happening. He just wants to use it to prop up this "Christian oppression" narrative to pander to his audience, and feel righteous blaming Israel while he's at it.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 6 months ago

….I’m sorry, what?!

When was the last global event where Christian’s disproportionately were killed over any other religion?

[–] [email protected] -1 points 6 months ago (3 children)

Did you read the full article because it also lists several valid points that he made and then attempts to equate everything as anti-jew and antisemitism. What he said may not be accurate, but saying something bad about Israel does not equate to being anti-jew or antisemitic

[–] [email protected] 11 points 6 months ago

The article talks about Israeli oppression of Palestinians is bad. It’s quite clear that is not the same as antisemitism. It doesn’t condemn anti-Israel stuff, it condemns antisemitism.

It also makes the point that religious right wingers don’t care about antisemitism, just the anti-Israel stuff, which I think is an important takeaway.

Not trying to be rude, but it kinda seems like the person you’re replying to read it more thoroughly than you did.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 months ago

Did you read the full article because it also lists several valid points that he made and then attempts to equate everything as anti-jew and antisemitism.

This is extremely vague. Can you be more specific?

[–] [email protected] -2 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Believe me, I'm not trying to defend the article. I didn't read it because I don't want to give that shit views. But I'm not about to defend this asshole who's not even pretending to give a shit about the actual people dying. Both parties can be wrong.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

I don't see any direct quote of Tucker (mind you I don't believe him to be an actual news analyst myself) in this article. Supposedly he praised the "strength" of Hama's (the word strength is the only word quoted here). It's also mentioned (without quote) he said Israel is hurting Christians.

The rebuttal by the article author:

It’s true that Palestinian Christians are suffering, though it’s largely because they are Palestinians rather than because they are Christians.

The author sees hypocrisy in the right media:

Substantively, it shows that the right is willing to forgive or downplay antisemitism unless it’s somehow linked to criticism of Israel — in which case there’s a zero-tolerance policy.

Unless I missed it, we need to find an additional source to see what Tucker said. I'm not really down for a dumpster dive into a Tucker "news" rabbit hole.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I literally provided a direct quote. You not feeling "down'" to verify it isn't really anyone else's problem.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I shouldn't have to do a "journalist's" work.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Ok? It's a bad article. So what? What do you expect anyone else to do about that? You demand information, information that is very easily found, yet refuse to make any effort yourself. What an entitled, lazy position to take.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I didn't demand a thing. I mentioned the flaws in the article. I specifically said I wasn't going to dumpster dive looking for the info the article should have provided.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I specifically said I wasn’t going to dumpster dive looking for the info the article should have provided.

No. You said this -

Unless I missed it, we need to find an additional source to see what Tucker said.

If an article doesn't have the information you want/need, you look for a better article, not demand "we" find something and then refuse to do anything yourself. Hell, you should be doing that for pretty much any article. That's basic media literacy.

Also, again, I already provided a quote.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

I mentioned we would need an additional source to see what he said. Which you must have found. I did miss you had that quote originally. Good job on that.

If you provided nothing, I promise you, I would have been just as content. I demanded nothing.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 6 months ago (1 children)

It all boils down to the question if we should care about people arguing in bad faith.

Carlson proved to be Putin's mouthpiece, everything he says follows an agenda, which is, as mentioned in the article, to divide the US.

Does it matter that he and a lot of people on social media just play pretend because they want to hurt Bidens chances of reelection?

I think it should be allowed to be pointed out, even though they're not wrong. They just don't care about Palestinians. For Carlson at least that much is obvious.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 6 months ago

I don't disagree that he is an opportunist, but the article is still trash IMO. To me the agenda of the article is clear, which is to use the opportunity of another opportunist to spread more anti-Israel = anti-Jew/antisemitism fud.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 6 months ago

It uses every chance to suggest that telling the truth about Israel is anti-jew and antisemitism.

? A whole section of the article is about using legitimate criticisms of Israel to push antisemitism. And then even talks about how antisemitism is okay with the right, unless it's linked to criticism of Israel.

In fact, where do they even paint any criticism of Israel as antisemitic?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I'm not sure we read the same article. The one I read pointed out that many of his criticisms are indeed legitimate, but it's his framing of them that furthers the cause of antisemitism, pointing out that he frames the criticisms as an issue of Christians vs. Jews rather than Palestinians vs. Israelis.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Which is complete BS and shows a severe lack of this writers knowledge on the subject. Because it requires someone to separate the Colonists from the israeli state as if they are some "rogue entity".

In reality the israeli state arms and protects the colonists to enable them to do their terrorism. And stands behind them and protects them against any retaliation. Hell we have Ben Gvir and Smotrich, two extremist settlers directly in the israeli government. And what do these settlers do?

Israeli settler, far-right activist: 'Spitting on Christians is a Jewish custom'

He continued: "Perhaps under the influence of Western culture we have forgotten what Christianity is, but I think the millions of Jews who experienced the Crusades, the [Spanish] Inquisition, blood libel, and mass pogroms will never forget."

Yered made the comments as, amid Sukkot celebrations, Orthodox Jews spat on and shouted at a group of Christian pilgrims who were walking in Jerusalem's Old City on Tuesday.

The pilgrims were carrying the four species of Sukkot when they were attacked. The incident, which sparked public outcry, occurred during the Feast of Tabernacles, a holiday that brings thousands of Christians to the Jewish State.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 6 months ago

Who knew that creating an ultra-nationalist theocracy would also facilitate a ripe environment for discrimination against the religious minorities?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 months ago

It’s true that Palestinian Christians are suffering, though it’s largely because they are Palestinians rather than because they are Christians. Carlson’s message, however, does less to draw attention to the plight of the Palestinians than to pit Jews against Christians.

I'd argue both are true.

Oct 3 - Outrage over Jerusalem video of ultra-Orthodox Jews spitting as Christians pass

A video of ultra-Orthodox Jews spitting on the ground beside a procession of foreign Christian worshippers carrying a wooden cross in the holy city of Jerusalem has ignited intense outrage and a flurry of condemnation in the Holy Land.

Many say the government, with its powerful ultranationalist members, such as the finance minister, Bezalel Smotrich, and the national security minister, Itamar Ben-Gvir, has emboldened Jewish extremists and created a sense of impunity.

“What happened with rightwing religious nationalism is that Jewish identity has been growing around anti-Christianity,” said Yisca Harani, a Christianity expert and founder of an Israeli hotline for anti-Christian assaults. “Even if the government doesn’t encourage it, they hint that there will be no sanctions.”