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[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The older generation has basically always resented the younger generation for:

  1. Their lives being easier,
  2. Their music and clothing being awful,
  3. Doing sex wrong.

It's like a constant of recorded history. The Romans said these things in ~300BC.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

As a millennial I don't resent zoomers, I actually feel ashamed for not having done better by them

As for music and clothes... I mean... we had Gabbers...

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

As a fellow (albeit very late) millennial, what is a gabber?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I also never heard of Gabbers, my fellow millenianite. From a quick Google search it appears to be a style of EDM music.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Nobody wants to work anymore!

(when the fuck did people actually want to work?)

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise. Children are now tyrants, not the servants of their households. They no longer rise when elders enter the room. They contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties at the table, cross their legs, and tyrannize their teachers.

Said by - Socrates

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

Some time ago people merged contributing to society and being productive with work.

Work is doing something for money, but there are things I would do for free if I didn’t need to earn money to survive.

Teaching, community gardens, organizing social events. These are all things I’d love to do but I have to work like 50 hours a week to survive and safe for the future.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

I especially enjoy the 1979 citation there

"Nobody wants to work anymore." - disgusted businessman

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago

This is as hilarious as people who say the same thing about Rage Against The Machine.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago (17 children)

Trans people have existed for as long as people have existed.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Nowadays, everybody is trying to talk, like they have something to say. But nothing comes out when they move their lips, just a bunch of gibberish, like they forgot about Dre.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Cancel culture. It's been around for a very long time, though it used to be expressed in shunning, banishment, or communal acts of corporeal harm (e.g. tarring and feathering, lynching, etc.)

Edit: just realized the question was for something true, not just something that's been around for longer than people think lol

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

It's kind of funny when someone is commenting on two threads at the same time, and the subject is coincidentally tied.

I was discussing about Socrates' trial. "Socrates was cancelled" describes it perfectly. Cancel culture in Athens 399 BCE.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I must be old. I remember when β€œcancel culture” was called β€œvoting with your wallet”, and rich corporations used it to justify their own success.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

I feel like that's more of a corpo relations phrase, cancel culture is more personal. Like that voting with your wallet was supposed to influence the behavior of corps, not individuals.

I think a good older example of cancel culture were the American red scares, especially the McCarthy trials. Although an extreme example of it, they were 'cancelling' people who's views they considered dangerous. People disliked by others would often be called a Communist and socially / economically harmed tremendously, regardless if they were actually a Communist. If you got to a McCarthy trial, you were doomed; that guy was cancelling with the power of the state, afaik knowledgeable to the fact many of the accusations were false

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I immediately think of butter, fat, dairy, and eggs. We were all told around the 1980's to avoid them as they will make you obese, raise blood pressure and cholesterol levels. Until pretty recently the American FA was still saying are all bad, then it went to "in moderation" etc. In fact it was all enjoyed and quite healthy up to the late 1970's and now again it is basically back in most people's diets.

Actually, we're discovering, other foods are often the cause of those symptoms, but don't let me knock the advertising industry for fast and processed foods ;-)

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Gotta love how sugar is never on the list of things to avoid.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

sugar industry pays big money to blame everything else while they dump sugar in EVERYTHING

even bread is sweet

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

A lot of people I know think that sugar is required to make bread (to activate yeast). Sugar is not at all required.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Anything with a "Foundation" or a "Board of" behind it, seems to get lobbying rights to veto any changes, i.e. to preserve their status quo ;-)

Supposedly too, you used to be able to commission a "research project" and define it's scope nice and narrow, and get just the results you'd like to have published to support the "no change". It does take a lot of money to be able to do this, though.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That everything is going to shit.

spoilerEverything has always been shit.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah but now is going to shit FASTER.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (3 children)

America's political system being fundamentally broken. People point to George Washington's farewell address like he was some 5d chess genius seeing into the future when really he was a dying old man who had just spent eight painful years watching the country shift into bipartisan gridlock

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Plus decorum in Congress. Elected officials were literally beating each other with canes.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

The Founding Fathers didn't really know what they were doing in creating the Constitution. They just kind of guessed based on what they saw as best practices at the time and compromised where they needed to.

And the Constitution was the scary document that gave more power to a federal government

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

I'm not sure I agree (observing from the outside as a Brit). I feel like Citizens United is the origin of a lot of the problems in modern US politics and that was only 2010.

For those who don't know it, it's a landmark legal case that basically allowed a lot more money into politics. When you make winning politically about who can raise the most money you take power out of most poeple and put it in the hands of rich people. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizens_United_v._FEC

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Yeah no. I don't want to say that money and politics hasn't gotten worse. But our first past the post voting system has been documented as being inappropriate for selecting leadership basically all along

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Slightly different tack ... by the time most people recognise a problem, and feel like it's happening "now", the reality is that it started long ago, has been ramping up gradually for a while, but most people didn't want to bother thinking about or doing anything about.

Climate change being kinda obvious. The thing with Google and Chrome lately has been like 10 years in the making at least.

Generally, IME, when something goes wrong even in someone's personal life ... there was something wrong the whole time being ignored. Just recently I spoke to someone about a recently divorced couple who were buying houses and planning long term things months before the divorce. I pointed out that it had to be that way as they were desperately hanging on to the idea that the marriage can work when in reality it had died years before.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (9 children)

"Fake News"

There's been good and bad journalism for as long as there's been journalists

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Yup. Only the different names for it are relatively new. The term β€œFake News” didn’t become popular until The Mango Mussolini was President.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

Police reform has like a century of the same rhetoric without actually fixing the problem. You can read about it in old archives, and sounds hauntingly familiar to what you'd read from a modern reformist who opposes abolition

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Kids misbehaving in school. "Kids are so rude these days." "Young people don't show respect anymore."

I'm pretty sure that every generation had its bad eggs in the classroom and nothing has changed.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise. Children are now tyrants, not the servants of their households. They no longer rise when elders enter the room. They contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties at the table, cross their legs, and tyrannize their teachers.

  • Socrates, ancient Greece
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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago
[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Politics is too divisive, politicians are untrustworthy, political campaigns are too negative

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