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I can't believe we're a few votes away from having a stooge at the helm and an anti vaxxer as the head of the CDC and FDA.
This fucking hurts.
And don't forget that Herschel Walker will be a DoD lead.
I was trying to :(
Yeah. But we need to squarely focus the blame on Harris, the campaign, the apologists who excused some of here deeply unpopular positions, and disallowed the dissent that tried to bring her to more popular positions.
In the previous 6 elections, the candidate that ran as an anti-elite populist won.
This will make 7 (if Trump wins).
I mean, Harris is in the unenviable position of having to get the support of both conservatives and leftists at the same time (because the democratic party is an awkward hodgepodge of much of what passes for the left in the US, people who mostly just want to not be discriminated against, and people who fundamentally are conservatives but feel like the republicans go too far or dislike their stance on one thing or another.) It is nigh impossible to not have some unpopular positions if you've got to try to maintain the support of groups of people that sometimes want mutually exclusive things, and can afford to lose neither, because no position in that instance is truly that popular.
I know Lemmy likes to think that if she only adopted all of their positions, she'd win in a landslide, and if Lemmy was the electorate that'd probably be the case, but to be perfectly frank, I'm far from the most far left person I encounter here routinely, and I'm already in the position of not knowing a single other person irl that agrees with me on a number of my stances. The issue for Harris isn't that she tries to get votes from conservatives, she in order to win, she has to win some amount of them, the US is too conservative a country to avoid that, it's that at the end of the day, Trump has a cult following, and a lot of people that like him. He might seem "easily beatable" because he does crap that would sink someone else, but he really isn't, having that many motivated followers is a huge asset in elections.
Isn't the blatantly obvious answer to "who is to blame for Trump getting elected?", assuming that he ultimately does, the people that voted for Trump?
Unenviable position my ass. She campaigned like ass and tried to court Republicans and got goose eggs to show for it.
No more fucking excuses. Trump has always been the singularly most beatable opponent in politics.
There's a lot of blame to go around.
-Americans who tolerate and accept Trump's behavior.
-Biden for not calling it sooner and letting a proper candidate emerge. Harris was the best at the last minute but there should have been actual primaries.
-Harris for not swinging for the fences and playing it safe.
arming a genocide and going in on anti-crime and -migrant rhetoric is "playing it safe" jfc
Yep! You new to American politics?
No, I am very acutely aware of how we got here. Clearly their strategy did not work or they would have won tonight. It's a trick and you fell for it, hard. Of course you wouldn't want to admit that.
Anyone out there that is gung ho about the border and arming Israel was always going to vote Republican. Ceding the narrative on those only reinforced the Republican base, and not offering anything material depressed the Democrat base. The whole time they've been pandering to imaginary voters and you'll first gaslight yourself into believing those voters exist and your country is a horrible place of garbage people before you'll admit that your side could have done things differently to appeal to more voters.
Yes, yes it is.
Most of America wants to curb immigration.
Most of America backs Israel or doesn't care.
We must be watching different elections and your version must have historic turnout, since americans are so enthusiastic about deporting immigrants and flattening gaza, no?
Cause in mine I just see two unpopular candidates except one of them has cultivated a delusional cult to propel them forward and the other has the american electorate convinced that being evil is non-negotiable.
What about the people that were protesting war crimes outside her rallies? No blame for them?
Maybe she should have listened to what they had to say.
It doesn't appear to have mattered. I know it's an issue important to a lot of people here, but changing her stance on it would not have moved the needle. It literally comes down to inflation and xenophobia. And the billionaires putting their thumb on the scale as hard as they can.
And housing if you want to separate that out from inflation.
You have no way of knowing that because anti-genocide voters basically didn't show up. You dont know what you didn't measure.
how do you know what they did?
Yeah. They didn't show up. They literally don't count. That is political irrelevance.
Democratic apologism and cognitive dissonance, name a more iconic duo.
A more iconic duo you say?
Leftist Entitlement.
There you go.
This was the natural result of the rhetoric you've been engaged in since you started this sockpuppet of yours.
We told you this would happen as a result of how you were approaching the issue.
I told you what the consequences of what you were doing would be before. I told you while you were doing the thing that would have these consequences. I told you after you did the thing that it would have these consequences.
And if course you want to blame the people who told you that the way you were approaching this wouldn't work. That when you did it it wasn't working. And after having done it we told you that you alienated more people with the approach than you gained.
You have no excuses. This is your loss. You own this.
Lol. Just doubling down on the very toxic approach that just gave Trump the presidency. You were never interested in winning and I told you that weeks ago.
I don't see what you're getting at here. You are literally imagining that there are vast numbers of people staying home over Gaza while telling me I can't know they don't exist.
This is the kind of delusional thinking that cost Harris the election. That you could just "abuse" people into accepting a genocide.
You, this specific kind of thinking, this is what is to blame for Harris's loss.
Well when every single Palestinian is dead or displaced and Gaza is annexed into Israel by February you be sure to cling to that moral high ground!
Just keep blaming the voters instead of having an iota of introspection. It worked real well for the Harris campaign.
Go read my other comment. You think messaging on Gaza would have made a difference because your are historically illiterate. War is coming. Pick a fucking side.
He went to black barbershops and McDonald's. Where the hell was she? I'm sorry, but this fucker was the most beatable candidate ever and it's close.
That's fucked up.