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I'm not against those who work for sex, but the idea to earn for a living doesn't seem nice. IMO, sex should be for 2 people (or more for others who prefer polyamory) who wants to be intimate/romantic with each other. My point is money should not be the purpose.

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[–] [email protected] 70 points 1 month ago (8 children)

Why do you get to have an opinion on something between two strangers that otherwise doesn’t affect you

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

I have an opinion because it affects anyone sexually active that is not in an exclusive relationship. Legalized sex work would increase sex worker healthcare, directly reducing national STD numbers.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Legalized and well regulated*👌

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[–] [email protected] 55 points 1 month ago (1 children)

My point is money should not be the purpose.

Take this and apply it literally every aspect of western culture. It seems like you personally have strong feelings about how you think sex should be, but there are many, many people who disagree. We live in a society, I say mind your own business if someone's doing something you don't like that also doesn't affect you

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

We live in a society

Found the Joker.

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[–] [email protected] 43 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Out of curiosity, why does sex need a purpose? Why should it be or not be for anything in particular? What makes it any different from, say, juggling?

Sex work isn't just prostitution, by the way. It's anyone making a living off of sexual content. If you're shooting porn or are a cam girl, you're a sex worker as well.

Prostitution is problematic in that currently, because it's an illegal service, it's largely being performed by people who don't have a choice in the matter. Human trafficking is a huge problem. If prostitution were legalized and regulated, if the societal "we" changed our collective attitudes towards it, life would improve for a lot of people. I struggle to phrase this next bit in a tactful way. If you're against improving the lives of so many people because it doesn't align with your view of sex should be for, that's pretty shitty of you. Not saying that's the case, I don't live inside your head, but that's how I see it.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

In places where prostitution is legal, the amount of human trafficking goes way down, because the brothels in these places are usually inspected pretty regularly. They have to follow regulations or else they will be forcefully shutdown, and the employees being there willingly is usually one of those regulations.

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[–] [email protected] 35 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Office workers also sell their bodies.

Builders sell their bodies too.

Sex work is no different than any other line of work.

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[–] stoy 28 points 1 month ago (6 children)

Adults have the abillity to engage in free enterprise, as long as all parties involved consent I see no issue.

Regarding sex, the only times you get to have oppinions about another persons sex life is...

...when you are part of it.

...when it involves underage people.

Why should money be a taboo reason to have sex? You don't get to pick and choose what motivation other people have for sex.

You don't have to engage with this type of enterprise if you don't want to, so leave other's alone.

In general, prostitution will allways happen, you can try whatever laws you want, but you can't stop it. The only thing prohibition acomplishes is to deny sex workers the protections they need to stay safe.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Or if it's not consensual, we should care about that too.

You generally implied this but it's worth repeating.

[–] stoy 7 points 1 month ago

Very true!

Thank you for bringing that to light.

I also condiser passive participants to be part of the activity and get to have a say.

Stuff like exhibitionism, don't have sex in public view since that forces everyone in view to take part in your activity, even if only passively.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago

Outlawing prostitution is the same as outlawing drugs, it doesn't fix the problem, it just makes it unregulated...

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Regulate it, keep the workers safe, ensure they're well compensated and tested. Basically, treat is like every other profession.

If two consenting adults want to exchange money for sexual favors, who cares? If the worker chooses to sell their body for money via sexual acts, why is that inherently worse than someone who does construction selling their body for a living?

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 month ago

I think if it doesn’t affect other people, and nobody is being exploited/everyone is participating willingly, then it’s none of my business what others choose to do.

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 month ago (1 children)

There are two main "career paths" here:

  • Those that willingly choose sex work.
  • Those that are pressured into sex work.

Imo, the former is perfectly fine (because everyone involved is consenting). The latter is problematic and the actual problem we need to solve.

So many people conflate the two and assume that all sex work is exploitation. All mixed in with the implicit sexism that says women shouldn't have any autonomy over their own body and sexuality.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

It's a pretty high percentage.

But it's a pretty high percentage for similar reasons to illegal pot sales funding terrorists or gangs/cartels. The legal status puts it way more in the purview of organized crime.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I mean, is it a high percentage? Feels like the kind of thing that you could fudge figures either way.

And yeah, we need to empower sex workers and give them legal and health support.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

This is where a good ol' "hate the game, not the player" applies.

I have no judgement of the people who do it to make money. Any issue I have is with the economy and culture that drives some to do it to survive when they wouldn't otherwise choose to.

Your point about money shouldn't be the purpose... but some people, especially women, are stuck where sex work is their best paying option. It's not their fault.

In a perfect world where no one is forced to do any particular labor to survive, when consent is given 100% of the time, and everyone's safe, I have zero issue with sex work from any angle. In this imperfect world, my issue is with the system and not the individuals working in the industry.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago

Yes. All the issues with sex work come from cultural and systemical issues. For example that it's very opaque for people outside of the industry, the stereotypes you have to deal with, people judging you constantly or it's not illegal everywhere.

And not to say there's not some fucked up shit happening in the industry.

I think the argument should be the same like with drugs: it's generally good, but it can be a problem and just for the transparency and oversight we need to make it legal everywhere but well regulated. That's my opinion.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Sex trafficking or impoverished/addicted people turning to sex work, no. Society has failed them and we need to fix the underlying problems.

Sex work as a concept I take no issue with. I think it solves a lot of problems interpersonally. Dating would improve with less need for people to hide their motives. People too busy or uninterested in relationships would have an outlet, and disabled people who otherwise can't attract a partner benefit greatly as well.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 month ago

Neutral. Everything depends on the people involved and the context. A lot of jobs don't seem nice and money shouldn't be the purpose. That's more a criticism of the economy than of sex work.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Sure it'd be great if basic needs like food, shelter, healthcare and yes, sex, weren't commoditized, but until we get ~~Sexicaid~~ Sexicare for All, I'm fine with people making money from sex and paying for it. Legalize and regulate it for the safety of the workers and the customers.

~~^Someone please come up with a better name than Sexicaid^~~

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Sexycare, or maybe sexicare?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

omg I'm an idiot I was trying to riff off Medicare for All and used Medicaid instead, Sexicare definitely works

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 month ago (3 children)

I like looking at pictures of naked people, so I'm grateful to those naked people.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 month ago

Totally fine with sex work. Just keep it safe and be nice.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I don't judge at all. Not all sex work is sex for money, but even in that case, I think it's fine. There's nothing magical about sex. And there can be lots of reasons a person might not get all their needs met within a relationship.

I do worry it can be a trap for some, but I think it's a valid choice. Idk. I'm specialized (trapped) in IT work and whore myself out to corporations for money. Ultimately there probably isn't that much of a difference.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 month ago

Eh, it's just a service in exchange for money. Just like a massage parlour or spa or doctor or chiropractor or hair stylist. Sex isn't special.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 month ago

I have no stake in anything sex related, but I've known others which can be described as insatiable. If they are willing and able to do that for of work, then what's the harm?

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 month ago

I don't guess it needs my approval but as long as there is a demand for the service it will happen.

Like you, I just like everyone to get sex for sex, that's how I've always done it, but that's a very recent outlook, it was very gatekept before and women generally were trading sex for something, and men were generally trading something for it. I remember being in high school and the only categories were girlfriend, slut, or just don't have sex, it was so fraught.

I expect there may always be a marketplace. And certainly don't hold any sort of bad feelings towards those trying to market themselves, if you can make a living at it, great.

Went to barber school with a lady who was doing job retraining after getting busted for prostitution. She said she really had enjoyed it, had few clients, all regulars, worked out of her home, made a good living. Wasn't bothering anyone until apparently someone noticed and was bothered.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago

It's a type of entertainment. As long as the people involved are of legal age and gave consent... I don't see a problem with it

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Do you not believe in casual, not romantic sex?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Yeah i forgot about casual thingy. Maybe i should edit my post to include that, but the idea of money being involved is not something i'm comfortable with (yet? - i'm keeping my mind open for this discussion)

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago

It's not for you to be comfortable about unless you're planning on paying or getting paid for it. That's like someone who paints their miniatures and agrees to paint the miniatures of a friend not feeling comfortable about money being involved, because he's doing that for other reasons, but there are professional miniature painters.

Anything you do for fun you're likely to be uncomfortable charging for, but you need to remember that that's not your job, and regardless of what your job is there's a good chance that someone out there likes to do the same thing for fun and would feel uncomfortable charging people for it.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago

Do I "approve" of sex work? It's not my place to either approve or disapprove of what other people do with their time, their money or their bodies. The question is loaded to provide justification for your moral outrage.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago

It is also called the world's oldest business. They have done it long before I could ever judge it, and they will continue afterwards, whatever my judgement may be.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago

Personally i am ok with sex being for money, as long as its a choice. Nobody should be forced into sex work. One can say that work by definition is exploitation but if one has multiple work options and they choose sex work as a line of work, i am ok with it being an option.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago

Not my business, but would hope appropriate precautions are in place for both parties involved.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I approve of it in that it's legitimate work, unlike being a landlord, and lots of vulnerable people end up doing it as the only method of supporting themselves, as well as a lot of single moms trying to deal with making an income and parenting, etc. I would not disparage anyone doing it. Would I worry about their emotional and physical health and safety doing it? Yes. We have a sex workers collective drop-in center in my city who make efforts to try to help keep them safe, such as testing, condoms, etc, which is great. But I can't help but wonder how someone's mental health would be affected by just being a glorified blow up doll. There was an Ask Reddit once about what people saw on porn sets, and someone who worked on one said all the girls seemed really fake and unhappy and vacant emotionally, and that concerns me. I would not want anyone hurt by doing this work is my point, but I don't object to them doing it of course. Just please take care of yourself!

Edit to add: last weekend my church took a potluck to the local park where there is a small tent encampment of unhoused folks and invited them to eat with us, which they did, which was nice, and although they were shy we all talked a little, and some of them were clearly sex workers from what they talked about. One had what I think was scabies on her skin, and that's the kind of thing that worries me.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago

I would never use those services. There is nothing wrong in offering them but I think there is something abusive in accepting the offer. Surely some people do it 100% because they love the work but I am fairly certain that most don't. And those who don't, won't tell you that they don't. So if you accept the service, you might abuse someone's desperation.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I like this answer, but he deleted. It's still in my inbox so I'm gonna share but not mention the commentor's name

In germany sex Work is a normal regulated job like any other. You are insured, receive vacation days, etc. It is accepted here as completely normal work like any other. Because it is. was once in a brothel with a friend. While he was in the room with a lady, talked to the others and asked why they were doing this job. The answer was "I like dicks" and "Its fun and pays very well" To be honest, the ladies seem to enjoy their work more (and earn a lot more) than any job I've had in my life.

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