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"LibRehab" is a place to point people to when they showcase clear signs of Liberalism (not in a mean way). It is also a place to proactively destroy your liberalism before it becomes counterrevolutionary.

Posts here should be a mix of simplified theory, countering of historical revisionism / anti-communist talking points, and a nonjudgmental space for those on the journey of deprogramming their mind.

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Yassine Meskhout is a Moroccan-American lawyer who works primarily as a public defender. He also writes a blog on the side. As far as I can tell, he is an ex-Muslim, and he used to be some sort of leftist when he was younger, but now has receded to being more of a centrist liberal. He mentioned in a post written in 2019 that he "used to be part of a leftwing gun rights group".

Since October 7th of last year, he's posted the following pieces:

Nov 1st, 2023: The Jewish Conspiracy to Change My Mind
Dec 22nd, 2023: Follow-Up On That Jewish Conspiracy
Jul 21st, 2024: I don't know if it's really antisemitism, but I have nothing else

I've copy-pasted some of the more salient passages below (FYI, there are a lot of hyperlinks in the original posts that I did not copy over, so you should check the original posts):

Motte-and-Bailey: I admit, I never knew what ‘Zionist’ meant except as a grave denunciation yet the Zionist movement has been fairly transparent about its goals from its beginning in the 19th century. You could categorize its aim across a spectrum, simplified from least to most radical: 1) Jewish homeland somewhere, 2) Jewish homeland somewhere in the Levant, and 3) Exclusive and total Jewish domination of the entire Holy Land. Both pro & anti-Zionism labels have a strategic ambiguity that can be intentionally levered by any extremist wishing to blend in the crowd. There’s a similar dynamic with the Palestinian chant ‘From the river to the sea’, because is it calling for totally and completely erasing Israel from the map? Or is it simply advocating for a coexisting independent Palestine in both the West Bank (river) and Gaza (sea)? Whatever you want!

Orthogonal Violence: I’m not a pacifist, but anyone who decides to deploy violence as a tool should be extremely careful they’re not simply succumbing towards quenching a primeval bloodthirst. Any application of violence should be oriented towards a specific goal, proportional to the objective, and carried out with humility...
In contrast, I find no justification for indiscriminate attacks on orthogonal targets. What exactly is the objective and how does murdering Olympic athletes, or bombing a discotheque, or bombing a pizzeria, or murdering bus passengers, or sniping a baby in a stroller get anyone closer to it?

No matter how righteous a cause might be, it will never be worth having this as one of its Wikipedia pages.

I don’t believe I’ve encountered anyone directly defending the strategic merits of indiscriminate unguided rocket attacks, or music festival mass shootings. Instead, I see either excuses about how we outsiders shouldn’t cast judgement upon the anguished and desperate actions of an oppressed populace, or affirmative declarations that “resistance” is justified through “any means necessary”. Hamas leadership parrot this argument, as seen in this rare moment where Ghazi Hamad breaks into English to say that as the victims in this conflict, anything they do is by definition justified. This view is beyond heinous, because it has no bounds. It posits an insane moral outlook that once someone is anointed as sufficiently oppressed, their actions — no matter what! — are indefinitely beyond reproach or scrutiny.

Israel has demonstrated a broader commitment to cosmopolitan multiculturalism, as illustrated by how the Temple Mount is governed. It’s the former site of the destroyed Second Temple (Judaism’s holiest site) which was later replaced by the Al-Aqsa Mosque (Islam’s third holiest site) and despite its central importance within Jewish lore, I was surprised to find out that Israel has prohibited all Jewish prayer since its takeover of the area in 1967 after the Six Day War. The Temple Mount area is governed by a religious committee composed only of Muslims members. I can’t fathom the countervailing scenario where Muslims are willing to prohibit prayers at Al-Aqsa.

Previously, I would roll my eyes at the reflexive refrain that any criticism of Israel is driven by anti-Jewish bigotry. I was generally skeptical of bare allegations of bigotry in any context (as a baseline), but particularly within Israeli discourse given the potential for nationalistic motives to skew reasoning. Some of my skepticism remains warranted, but I readily admit I had seriously underestimated the ambient level of anti-Jewish bigotry.

I feel like I’m insulting everyone’s intelligence here because they’re not even trying to hide it, otherwise why would anyone cite the expulsion of the Khaybar Jewish community by the Muslims in 628 CE supposedly to protest a country founded in 1948?

The Hamas-run show Tomorrow’s Pioneers aired the most deranged children’s television segment I have ever seen. In one episode, children sang about how qualified they are for martyrdom (can you believe it gets worse?) and in another, the actual children of Reem Riyashi are invited to sing a song written from their perspectives, about how it’s ok their mom couldn’t hug them on the last day they saw her…because her arm was too busy holding a bomb.
What’s the counter-argument here? Is the homicidal propaganda taken out of context? Is the claim that it’s not representative? Maybe that’s true, but how can you tell?

It’s baffling that anyone seriously believes the Palestinian cause is primarily motivated by someone’s great-great-grandparent losing their farm 75 years ago. Al-Aqsa Mosque imagery is inextricably linked with the broader messaging. Hamas names everything after it (TV, brigades, floods, etc.), and Israel’s administration of the Mosque itself remains a point of serious contention.

I did not revisit some personal interactions until recent events prompted otherwise. Whenever I visited my family back home in Morocco, no other topic generated as much acrimony as Israel. It’s a common trope for home families to worry their emigrated members will be brainwashed into secularism, and bizarrely the most scrutiny I ever received from them about my life in the United States wasn’t about whether I ate bacon or drank alcohol, but whether I was friends with any Jews.

Amnesty International is a widely respected international human rights advocacy organization that issued a fucking 280-page novel in 2022 lamenting the injustices of Israel's security barriers. They outline scores of legitimate concerns (which I’ll get to later) but across those hundreds of pages, not once does the report say anything about the rash of suicide bombings that prompted construction of the barriers and checkpoints. The only reference I could find was near the end on page 263 where they obliquely mention Israel justifies its policies on unspecified “security grounds”. Amnesty International can’t pretend to be ignorant here, as they already condemned the practice of Palestinian child suicide bombers in 2005...
Anyone who reads *only *this report (all 280 pages!) to educate themselves about the topic would be left with the bizarre and misleading impression that Israel chose to dedicate immense resources into building up an elaborate security apparatus because…they’re mean I guess?

I was shocked to find out that everyone’s favorite geographic chant has a *completely *different meaning in the original Arabic, conveniently transmogrifying “Palestine will be free” from the far less palatable “Palestine is Arab” in the original.

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Just to clarify, I don't believe any of the following arguments and I'm fairly sure they're all bullshit, but I'd like to bolster my understanding of how to refute them the next time I see them.

These are all paraphrased or "steelmanned" (as opposed to strawmanned) versions of arguments I've encountered elsewhere on the internet.

  1. Israel does not unilaterally blockade the Gaza strip all by themselves; Egypt also has a border with Gaza and also participates in the blockade, and yet pro-Palestinians never seem to allocate any of the blame to Egypt, they always put it entirely on Israel. This is unfair and possibly antisemitic.
  2. In 1948, the Zionists allowed Arabs who didn't fight against them to stay in their homes and become citizens of Israel. This population of Arabs became known as the "48-Arabs", and they and their descendants are still citizens of Israel today. The fact that the Zionists accepted these people into their new state proves that the Zionists were not aiming to ethnically cleanse all Arabs and that Israel is not a racist state, or at least not a foundationally racist one. If the Arab Palestinian militants of 1948 had just done what the 48-Arabs had done instead of starting a war, they and their descendants would also be full citizens of Israel today.
  3. Western pro-Palestinian advocates make a critical error when they assume that Palestinians are primarily concerned with "civil rights". The main thing that motivates Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza (as opposed to Arab Muslim citizens of Green Line ‘48 Israel) is not their lack of "civil rights" (which are a largely Western notion, after all), it's that they resent Israel's existence as a non-Muslim-dominated society in what they see as "Muslim lands". They do not desire a secular democratic state with equal civil rights for all, they desire a Muslim controlled, sharia law state in which they can dominate Jews as a persecuted minority of second class citizens (dhimmi, infidels) or just drive Jews out entirely at their whim. Maybe in 1948 the Arab population of Palestine would have been satisfied with a secular, democratic state, but unfortunately extremist Islam has become a much more prevalent ideology since then and has changed the political equation.
  4. During the period of the British Mandate of Palestine (roughly 1910s to 1940s), Jewish immigrants improved the living standards of the region and initiated a lot of new economic activity. As a result, many Arab Muslims from neighboring regions like Egypt, Syria, and Jordan immigrated to the Mandate of Palestine because they were attracted by the new economic opportunities, and today's Palestinians in Gaza & the West Bank are largely descended from these Mandate-era Arab immigrants. Given that their ancestors came to Palestine at about the same time that Zionist Jews did (and in some cases later), their claims of having a superior right to the land of Palestine over Israeli Jews don't make sense. (example of this argument can be found here and here)
  5. Often pro-Palestinian advocates say that "Western countries should have accepted Jewish refugees in the 20th century instead of pressuring them to go to Palestine." This is true on a surface level, indeed a lot of things would have gone better if powerful Western countries had done that. But alas, they didn't, and that wasn't something that the Jews of the time had control over either way. Therefore the Jews who settled in Palestine at that time can't really be blamed for what they did, they were just looking out for themselves in the absence of any benevolent world power who would take them in.
  6. Pro-Palestinians misunderstand the Haavara agreement and overstate its importance. The fact that the Haavara agreement occurred does not prove that Zionists supported Nazism, or vice versa. If the Haavara agreement "proves" anything, it is simply that for a few years the Zionists had just enough political leverage with the Nazis & British to help out some fraction of German Jews as their situation in Germany was becoming more precarious, and the Zionists took the opportunity to do this while they could. This does not at all prove that the Zionists "supported the Holocaust/allowed it to happen" or anything like that, and the fact that some pro-Palestinians interpret it that way is really rather disappointing.
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The obvious response is that Gaza is a very densely populated place, of course there's civilians near any given location, that's not a conspiracy by Hamas. But are there any other talking points I should hit?

(I'm not really a lib in rehab, but this seems like the comm for getting talking points straight)

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Hi Hexbear! I’ve been lurking here ever since you federated with Blahaj. I was already a chapo listener for a year, so it was kind of a twist of fate. Anyways, the other day I heard Matt Christman say something on one of his Cushvlogs that opposes the general sentiment of people here. He said, “China isn’t socialist, they’re not even social democrat; they are state capitalist.” I know you all here uphold that China is AES so I would like an explanation as to why China isn’t state capitalist or a social democracy. Why is/what makes China socialist?

Thank you!

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I’ve been dabbling with the idea of communism for quite some time now, but one thing has always prevented me from being fully convinced. How do you allocate the inherently scarce resources. I strongly believe that a local person/company knows better how to allocate resources efficiently than a central government 100s km away. For example food. A central government will never be able to know the area as well as locals. How do you solve this?

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Q: How should the working class organize to take class power?

A: This is dependent on your nation's material conditions, often in relation to the present state of international affairs. For colonized nations where the status quo is upheld through strict state violence, a violent people's revolution utilizing geurrilla warfare, sabotage, mass propaganda and the 'war of maneuver' is best, although a multifaceted strategy should be considered. For highly-developed nations where the status quo is upheld through not only state violence but also intricate institutions of cultural hegemony (religion, media, education) it is vital to first construct a revolutionary base within civil society. This is best done through improving material conditions (whether via organized labour, riots, sometimes electoral reform), challenging hegemony through the formation of counter-hegemonic institutions, raising class consciousness, forming alliances with all oppressed groups, all of these falling largely under the 'war of position'. Once conditions are sufficient for the working class to take class power, it should do so within the previously described framework of democratic centralism, although material conditions must shape the character of the vanguard party; revolutionary strategy is not entirely transhistorical.

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I haven't touched any GamerGater content creators but I'm trying my best to flood my recommended with some more non-white let's players.

I watch Markiplier, and Cory. And I have some POC Vtubers but I want to try and find some others that I can show other people.

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Full talk available here: Yellow Parenti

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This is a pretty comprehensive list of sources that counter the pervasive US propaganda and present a much more accurate view of what happened at the Tiananmen Protests in 1989.

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cross-posted from: https://hexbear.net/post/280271

edit: Based on feedback, I'm considering changing the name to Well-Red. Let me know what you think.

Hi all, if this isn't the appropriate comm for this post then please redirect me to a better one.


I would like some constructive feedback on these articles. They're meant to serve as an FAQ-like rebuttal to common misconceptions, so that typical predictable questions (both good faith and bad faith) can be effortlessly handled by linking to the relevant page.

Because of this, the main target audiences are non-leftists and babby leftists. Feel welcome to crit the content but also the style, structure, theming, whatever. One question on my mind is if there is a good balance of clarity, succinctness and comprehensiveness, another question is whether the red-coloured links are a problem.


P.S. Sorry if the wiki name comes off as arrogant, it's really just a pun on 'red'

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Librehab mentioned, woo-hoo! parrot-node

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Feel free to add any feedback, questions or critiques!

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While none of us were precisely born as liberals, the vast majority of us were raised as such.

If you could reach back in time to the past version of you that remained under the illusions of liberalism, what would you say?

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The second of many.

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This is from an accessible and highly sharable infographic about Marxism. Will be posting more, share it to your favourite liberals!