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Welcome to Nano!

This post is meant for things that are relevant but do not justify their own post. For example, debates, issues, simple questions, memes or similar.

We normally recommend using our Discord server for quicker answers but using this post is fine if you don't have/want Discord. Note that the official English Telegram channel for nano is @ nanocurrency.

It's common that users have the same questions. So please, before making a new thread, make some research and look for similar questions. You will often find a comprehensive answer to your question has already been given! Please also check the official nano forum linked below.

What is Nano?

A fee-less, instant, decentralized and eco-friendly digital currency meant for peer-to-peer payments. Also knows as the ticker XNO or Ӿ.

Please check out r/nanocurrencybeginners or the Introduction For Newcomers

Where can I get some and try it out?

Where to store Nano?

  • There are several wallets to choose from found in this guide or listed here
  • The most simple form is the Nano seed which unlocks your accounts. Make sure to keep a safe backup of it, or you will risk losing your funds!
  • Nano is supported on the hardware wallet Ledger Nano S and X. Refer to the Full Guide
  • More about Nano security

Trade / Price Talk Neighbour Communities

More Information

Rules:

  • Be respectful of one another. Follow the golden rule of friendliness
  • No trolling or shilling
  • No begging, bragging or illegal activities
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The original was posted on /r/nanocurrency by /u/borgqueenx on 2024-08-24 20:28:30+00:00.


So i know that debit cards are master and visa cards that spend fiat, not crypto. But its 2024, cant there be a wallet where we can have crypto onchain(xno please) and spend it at stores? As soon as we pay for something we have to sign in the wallet app and it gets converted to fiat and pays for the service or goods.

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The original was posted on /r/nanocurrency by /u/randyrocketship on 2024-08-25 05:13:49+00:00.


This proposal argues that a required minimum balance per address (with necessary pre-reqs) would be far more effective at preventing ledger spam than PoW and network throttling. On top of that it will free the network to scale at its own pace, flex its strengths, and generate more excitement and interest with hobbyists, developers, and other adopters. I believe that the pros far outweigh the cons in every category.

Preface:

This is a controversial proposal that requires another controversial pre-requisite to be implemented (full pruning). I'm posting it because we don't have a solution, I've never seen one in the roadmap, and I think it's important that we work towards one. I also think it's a more important issue than we're admitting because, as I'll argue, the current solution acts as an artificial barrier to adoption while this one naturally encourages adoption.

For the sake of this post I've chosen a 0.0001 nano minimum balance limit. That is subjective and not critical to my argument. If it's implemented it can be lowered as the price of nano increases and the cost of storage decreases.

Finally, I intend for this to be temporary. It can be removed completely if something, like dylan42432's to offload ledger storage to clients, removes ledger bloat concerns completely; some other solution is implemented; or technology advances to a point where it doesn't matter anymore (we should not wait for this).

Pre-requisites:

  • DoS protection necessary to prevent bad actors from taking down nodes (required anyways)
  • Throughput spam solved (way more important, currently being worked on)
  • Bounded backlog is implemented (planned)
  • Full Ledger Pruning is added for all nodes (controversial, not in the plan as far as I know)
  • Receive transactions need to be eliminated, because pending transactions can’t be pruned (discussed before but not in the plan as far as I know)

Current State:

Nano’s current strategy to protect from ledger bloat depends on three things: PoW, network throttling, and organizations eventually willing to host larger nodes and absorb the higher costs.

PoW is used to increase the cost of generating a transaction which, in theory, increases the cost to an attacker spamming the network. However, PoW does not scale with the resources of an attacker. An attacker can make a small investment in an ASIC to essentially negate it as a defense mechanism. Currently, an attacker can cause far more damage in costs to node operators than they inflict on themselves during an attack. To make matters worse, as the cost of compute decreases, the attacker's advantage over the network increases.

This is where network throttling takes over. Right now node operators are artificially throttling the network to place a hard cap on the maximum number of transactions that can be processed over a given period of time. This is a fine safety mechanism while we work towards commercial grade but it’s not a solution, it’s a patch to protect us because we don’t have a real solution. I would argue that we shouldn't declare commercial grade until we can solve ledger bloat and remove that throttle. I would also argue that throttling the network as a protective mechanism decreases overall trust and interest from larger parties.

The third pillar in the current strategy is that, eventually, large corporations will adopt nano and they'll be willing to eat the costs and host larger nodes. If that happens, it's true that ledger bloat probably won't matter to them. But I would argue that large corporations will want to see the network growing and scaling first, on hobbyist nodes, before they would be willing to invest in it themselves. If the network proves itself and generates a lot of trust first that will make it much more attractive to them.

Proposal:

My proposal is to add a minimum balance requirement per address. This will force attackers to make large investments, in nano, to do trivial damage to the ledger and node operators. At $1 per nano and a minimum balance requirement of 0.0001 nano it would cost an attacker $170,000 to add 1TB of data to the ledger. That attack will cost node operators ~$50 at the current price of storage (my math is below, please correct me if I made a mistake).

It would completely change the dynamics in a ledger spam attack. 170,000 nano is 0.12% of the total supply. As they're purchasing the nano to do the attack they'd be further driving up the price and therefore the cost of the attack (they'd need way more than 170,000 to start making a real impact). If the attacker decides to recollect their nano to recoup their costs the network can prune their addresses and the ledger will recover. Even better, the network's advantage over the attacker will, naturally, improve as the price of nano increases and the cost of storage decreases.

EDIT: For clarity, if an account is opened with 0.0002 nano and the user tries to send 0.0002 nano the transaction will succeed, the address balance will drop to 0, and the address will be removed from the ledger to free up space. However, if the user tries to send 0.00015 nano (which would leave 0.00005 nano on the address) the transaction will fail because it will drop the address to below the minimum required balance.

If a an existing address with a balance of 1 raw tries to send it's balance to another address it will succeed as long as the second address has the required minimum balance of 0.0001 nano. That will zero out the prior address and let full ledger pruning remove it from the ledger.

Pros:

  • Nodes could start increasing the TPS of the network at their own pace and we could watch how it responds without worrying about a ledger attack. This would generate good PR helping to attract users and developers and could lead toward more adoption.
  • PoW could be scaled back and eventually removed as we see how the network responds. When PoW is removed Nano will be easier to use, easier to integrate, and easier to build on top of. This would reduce the barrier to entry for hobbyists to build cool things with nano which would help encourage adoption.
  • EDIT: (to add an interesting point) A minimum address balance of 0.0001 nano would set a MAX CAP of ~$42,000 dollars in storage costs if the supply of nano was fully split into 0.0001 chunks.
    • If you do the same math for raw nano the cost exceeds the total value of all wealth on the planet. The amount of resources to create that many SDDs would not be possible to mine on earth. The fact that we can shrink the maximum damage to a reasonable number is very cool.

Cons:

  • New addresses would not be able to be created with less than 0.0001 Nano. This would eliminate use cases that require addresses with less nano than that.
    • What are they? The only one I can think of is faucets paying less than 1/100th of a US cent to new addresses. I would argue that the benefits of these use cases are far outweighed by the barriers that PoW and network throttling add now.
    • If we're building a global currency for the future is it time to re-consider supporting use cases that require addresses that contain dust amounts not useful in the real world? Especially if abandoning those use cases greatly increases the usability, security, and performance of nano?
    • If there are use cases that need balances less than 0.0001 nano, custodial services can handle them.
  • This could decrease adoption by increasing the barrier to entry for new users.
    • At 1/100th of a cent, when nano is $1, there is very little barrier to entry for even the poorest people. The price of a loaf of bread in the world's poorest country is $0.59 USD. The minimum account balance requirement is $0.0001 at the current price of nano.
  • This would cap the network to a total of 1.3 trillion addresses.
    • The limit will be decreased as the price of nano increases and the cost of storage decreases. That will greatly increase the total number of addresses available.

Concerns:

  • Why is this an issue now? 1000 cps is ~1.5tb of data being added to the ledger per month.
    • At face value it doesn't seem like that big a deal but, we're currently throttling the network to embarrassingly low tps to protect against this exact scenario. Wouldn't it be helpful to unrestrict the network and watch how it responds as nodes get more powerful?
    • Wouldn't it be better to see the network creep up in tps without worrying about ledger spam and without waiting for larger more powerful entities to run nodes and absorb costs? (yes, I understand there are other costs that nodes will face at higher tps)
    • Wouldn't new developers and tinkerers be more excited to build on a fast, feeless, instant crypto currency that has no PoW limitation at all? Making it much easier to build very cool things.
  • Will this kill use cases that depend on microtransactions like nano-gpt, gambling, or others?
    • Not necessarily. They could be designed with a custodial wallet to reach the limit or they could just require a reasonable minimum balance of above 1/100 of cent. Most services require a minimum balance already anyways.
  • Will the world's poor be priced out of nano?
    • At $1 per nano 0.0001 nano is 1/100th of a US cent. I doubt that will be much of a barrier for even the poorest in the world.
    • In Burundi, the world's poorest country, where the average a...

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The original was posted on /r/nanocurrency by /u/frakilk on 2024-08-24 14:32:54+00:00.


Recently found out NanoGPT has an API so decided to build a JavaScript library for interacting with it on the server-side (Node.js).

Link:

With this library you are able to interact with text and image generation models offered by NanoGPT. You will just need a API key from NanoGPT and have your NanoGPT wallet loaded with some Nano to start making API calls from this package.

As an example of what is possible I built a small demo of a multi-model evaluator which you can see in action here.

You can also find a bunch of example scripts to help you get started.

Thanks to the NanoGPT team for helping with API questions. It's a great service, highly recommended.

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Welcome to Nano!

This post is meant for things that are relevant but do not justify their own post. For example, debates, issues, simple questions, memes or similar.

We normally recommend using our Discord server for quicker answers but using this post is fine if you don't have/want Discord. Note that the official English Telegram channel for nano is @ nanocurrency.

It's common that users have the same questions. So please, before making a new thread, make some research and look for similar questions. You will often find a comprehensive answer to your question has already been given! Please also check the official nano forum linked below.

What is Nano?

A fee-less, instant, decentralized and eco-friendly digital currency meant for peer-to-peer payments. Also knows as the ticker XNO or Ӿ.

Please check out r/nanocurrencybeginners or the Introduction For Newcomers

Where can I get some and try it out?

Where to store Nano?

  • There are several wallets to choose from found in this guide or listed here
  • The most simple form is the Nano seed which unlocks your accounts. Make sure to keep a safe backup of it, or you will risk losing your funds!
  • Nano is supported on the hardware wallet Ledger Nano S and X. Refer to the Full Guide
  • More about Nano security

Trade / Price Talk Neighbour Communities

More Information

Rules:

  • Be respectful of one another. Follow the golden rule of friendliness
  • No trolling or shilling
  • No begging, bragging or illegal activities
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The original was posted on /r/nanocurrency by /u/tatmob on 2024-08-18 10:03:24+00:00.


Phenomenon: The Lost Archives | Season 1 | Episode 8 | Monopoly Men | Dean Stockwell - YouTube

  • using the Rockefeller orchestrated panic of 1907 to insist on creation of the non-responsible Fed, instituting income tax, and the removal of the protective tariff (directly causing exploitation of poorer countries for manufacturing purposes under sub-standard conditions preferrable to large entities with few moral objections) in the same year in 1913
  • the installation of JP Morgan's personal adviser in the White House in a formal official office in Teddy Roosevelt's administration
  • the clandestine creation of the Fed behind closed doors at Jekyll Island
  • the US Fed being owned purely by merchant banks in London, and created by the administration of the City of London (officially)
  • the incestuous Bilderburg group deciding world monetary policy behind closed doors and without producing a single document or report
  • the failure of any major journalism to cover this group and the Council on Foreign Relations (clearly not for actually improving relations between people) even if spoon fed the details, possibly due to owners' direct membership in such gatherings
  • the promise of wars making money for bankers from both sides regardless of outcome, whether through the continual fear instilled to psych people up for arguably needless wars, or encouraging political infighting for the same reason - no matter who wins or dies, they make money lending and running guns
  • the incredibly high likelihood of being targeted for assassination for opposing central banks, probably starting with Lincoln all the way to Kennedy and continuing, regardless of political party or affiliations thereof
  • case in point, Andrew Jackson who openly fought central banks influence directly, who survived multiple assassination attempts with assassins known to have ties to central banks, on his tombstone put "I beat the banks".

We should all be so lucky to put that on our own stones, if you're into that kind of thing.

This is US specific so it may be a bit boring for some, but the implications are indeed largely global. Sometimes we need to be reminded that people agreeing on value make money valuable, not government or shadow government - myself included.

In the case of the Fed, the government might print the money technically using the Treasury but it doesn't own the note (read: "backed by federal reserve", not "backed by us government" on the paper itself), or cause inflation directly by buying treasury bonds whenever it suits them; especially underscored when the note is held by a quasi-private organization without any significant recourse or transparency in accounting process or actual value backing reserves. Not to mention that when rates decrease, Treasury bills become more valuable even with less interest being paid. Who sets that rate again?

The Fed has increased its balance sheet exponentially since 2000 - this is either owned treasury bonds directly leading to more dollars in circulation, temporary deposits by commercial banks leading to interest-only exchanges or covering the series of "too big to fail" non-competitive nonsense through direct unilateral investment - and none of this makes rational economic sense for this kind of growth through these leaner years.

If you listen carefully, you can hear the increasingly loud scrapings of these creatures as they try to figure out how to place enough fear into cryptographically secured banking and stores of value to seem like saviors when they then "need" to outlaw perfectly reasonable transactions between consenting parties.

So, better, why not Nano?

Credit to Investopedia - https://www.investopedia.com/articles/economics/10/understanding-the-fed-balance-sheet.asp

Remittances keeping the treasury afloat, albeit upside down (paying more in interest than receiving in remittance) and printing even more money due to Fed's massive profit margins - 200,000% change in three years with commensurate profit offsets- https://alfred.stlouisfed.org/series?seid=RESPPLLOPNWW#

near zero for 50 years to 3,500 billion in reserves to offset balance sheet profitability increases since 2008 (i.e. your converted tax dollars at rest in inaccessible credit) - https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/TOTRESNS#

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I made this video in 9:16 format in case anyone wants to use it. I don't know if it can be downloaded from here. In any case, if anyone is interested, you can contact me.

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The original was posted on /r/nanocurrency by /u/NanoWatchman on 2024-08-15 21:53:26+00:00.


August 15, 1971, the US dollar was taken off of the gold standard. Other currencies were fixed to the US dollar were also delinked.

Back then 1 ounce of gold was pegged to $35 US dollars.

Today, as of this writing, 1 ounce of gold is basically $2,500 US dollars.

This means your fiat money has lost 99% of its value in 53 years relative to gold. Gold also has an increasing supply.

Let us enter a new era to let Nano serve as the pure digital hardmoney standard of the world. No increase in supply forever means we have a true benchmark. We only need to adopt it as our money standard. The Nano Standard.

Today, as of this writing, 1 full unit of Nano is $0.86 US dollars.

Let us see where Nano is in the years to come.

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Where can you find information for Nano like number of transactions on the network?

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Hey guys, it's been a while since I've been back here to see what Nano has achieved. It's still my favorite coin. But it seems to be getting a lot of flak. Does anyone have any information on its achievements and future vision?

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This project is a Python & Flask-based web service that distributes Proof of Work (PoW) generation requests across multiple RPC endpoints of the Nano network. The service sends requests to all specified RPCs simultaneously and quickly returns the first valid response it receives, ensuring that the fastest available result is used. The service can be customized to use different RPC URLs and provides a simple HTTP API for submitting PoW requests.

Example. Assume you have three PoW sources:

You'd make a .env file like this:

HOST="127.0.0.1"

PORT=8080

URLS=http://127.0.0.1:7001;http://127.0.0.1:8001;http://some-ip-address:9001

Once you send a request to 127.0.0.1:8080/pow, it would send the same work_generate request to all of them, and return you the fastest response.

Developers! Feel free to use it! :)

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Welcome to Nano!

This post is meant for things that are relevant but do not justify their own post. For example, debates, issues, simple questions, memes or similar.

We normally recommend using our Discord server for quicker answers but using this post is fine if you don't have/want Discord. Note that the official English Telegram channel for nano is @ nanocurrency.

It's common that users have the same questions. So please, before making a new thread, make some research and look for similar questions. You will often find a comprehensive answer to your question has already been given! Please also check the official nano forum linked below.

What is Nano?

A fee-less, instant, decentralized and eco-friendly digital currency meant for peer-to-peer payments. Also knows as the ticker XNO or Ӿ.

Please check out r/nanocurrencybeginners or the Introduction For Newcomers

Where can I get some and try it out?

Where to store Nano?

  • There are several wallets to choose from found in this guide or listed here
  • The most simple form is the Nano seed which unlocks your accounts. Make sure to keep a safe backup of it, or you will risk losing your funds!
  • Nano is supported on the hardware wallet Ledger Nano S and X. Refer to the Full Guide
  • More about Nano security

Trade / Price Talk Neighbour Communities

More Information

Rules:

  • Be respectful of one another. Follow the golden rule of friendliness
  • No trolling or shilling
  • No begging, bragging or illegal activities
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The original was posted on /r/nanocurrency by /u/jnki on 2024-08-08 21:53:41+00:00.


Anyone know what happened to Zink.Tips?

The website is down, and it looks like they deleted twitter?

Hopefully people were able to withdraw to their wallets.

It's a shame if the project has stopped.

I really liked the twitch.tv integration.

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The original was posted on /r/nanocurrency by /u/blockracer on 2024-08-08 21:44:37+00:00.


Hello, Winning address: nano_3grzgfxm6cnb41hqrq68uqsz6e1rowsioqz83uaw6p1qq8nkkq9o1i94cgob

winners payment

Keeri’s donation

owner’s payment

Join the raffle here

Cheers!

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A few months ago, there was a project to introduce nano in Argentina. Together with the Argentinian nano-ambassador JDAron, the idea was born to set up a WeNanoBusinessSpot at an Argentinian restaurant. The people there were to collect the Nanos from the spot and consume them instantely in the restaurant. Several members of the Nano community (me included) donated to the project.

Here is the corresponding Reddit post:

This was the corresponding account inside WeNano:

Is there any update on this promotion? Did this promotion ever take place? Maybe JDAron coold give an update.

Regardless, I still think the idee behind this project is a very good idea to promote Nano in high inflation countries.

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