this post was submitted on 05 Jun 2024
422 points (94.7% liked)

Programming

16769 readers
76 users here now

Welcome to the main community in programming.dev! Feel free to post anything relating to programming here!

Cross posting is strongly encouraged in the instance. If you feel your post or another person's post makes sense in another community cross post into it.

Hope you enjoy the instance!

Rules

Rules

  • Follow the programming.dev instance rules
  • Keep content related to programming in some way
  • If you're posting long videos try to add in some form of tldr for those who don't want to watch videos

Wormhole

Follow the wormhole through a path of communities [email protected]



founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 months ago (11 children)

Not to mention that this Agile methodology is burning out people pretty fast. It puts a lot of pressure on developers.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 2 months ago (10 children)

I've been working with Agile for years and I worked with people who burned out, but there was not even a single case where Agile contributed to burning out, directly or indirectly. In fact, Agile contributed to unload pressure off developers and prevent people from overworking and burning out.

The main factors in burning out we're always time ranges from the enforcement of unrealistic schedules and poor managerial/team culture. It's not Agile's fault that your manager wants a feature out in half the time while looming dismissals over your head.

It's not Agile's fault that stack ranking developers results in hostile team environments where team members don't help out people and even go as far as putting roadblocks elsewhere so that they aren't the ones in the critical path. Agile explicitly provides the tools to make each one of these burnout-inducing scenarios as non-issues.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago (2 children)

It's not Agile's fault

Yes, yes it is. You don’t judge a system by some ideal that can’t be achieved. If it’s a system meant for humans you judge it based on what it does to said humans.

If agile makes managers more insufferable, then maybe it’s not a good tool for the problem at hand, working in companies with managers.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Agile is not a system. It’s a set of principles, set by the Agile manifesto.

The Agile manifesto boils down to a set of priorities that aren’t even set as absolutes.

I strongly recommend you read upon Agile before blaming things you don’t like on things you don’t understand .

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I have read those principles, many years ago.

Those principles sound great but they are not compatible with management.

If management is gonna be part of the picture then agile principles are not beneficial to a developer experience, regardless of what unachievable ideal they talk about.

load more comments (7 replies)
load more comments (7 replies)