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My original question was "How do we disincentivize the purchase of pickup trucks/SUVs" but then I thought it would be better to approach the larger problem of car dependency and car ownership. One option is, of course, to create public transit infrastructure and improve it where it already exist. This, however, doesn't change the fact that some will still choose to drive. What would be the best ways to discourage people from owning personal cars?

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[–] [email protected] 65 points 3 months ago (21 children)

don't discourage people from owning personal cars. most of the time this mentality is just a tax on the poor.

Flip the idea. Encourage people to not use cars instead.

  • not just bike lanes, but bike storage & lockers
  • not just public transport, but better connections between transport modes (buses with bike carriers, train stations with better car parking and bike lockers and bus connections)
  • more small car parking bays with all large truck bays further away from the stores
  • more motorcycle parking bays
  • cheaper motorcycle registration, etc.

it's all about spending money and effort in the areas you want it. Not about being restrictive.

it's a slower method of conversion, but more effective.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 months ago (2 children)

People are in engrained car habits. That's why alternatives to driving are important, but people are unlikely to switch unless we ALSO make driving less appealing

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago (1 children)

The solution seems to be, build those public transit options first. Let people get used to them, know they exist, etc. even if they're not massively used, their presence makes implementing some kind of penalty for driving WAY more likely to work - there's already an alternative in place, we don't have to worry about what we're gonna do now, were just gonna take the bus.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I totally understand why you say this. But at the same time:

  1. Be a politician

  2. Do the right thing and invest billions in an amazing public transport system knowing it won't be used properly until much later

  3. Lose your job for wasting billions on a system nobody uses. Ensure that every other politician in the world cannot henceforth invest in public transport because "Look what happened when that other guy tried it".

  4. There is no Step 4

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago

This is why I propose moving in sloooooow steps. One or two small changes at a time, and eventually we've "snuck" some stuff by and moved in the right direction.

The way I look at it, it's as likely to happen if we do it right as if we do it wrong. Either we're going to get rid of cars, or we're not. I'd rather make steps towards doing it right.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago

address how this stance of yours isn't just a tax on poor people and how it isn't ableist.

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