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[–] [email protected] 197 points 1 month ago (56 children)

Such a creepy thing, getting children to chant in devotion to a state flag in schools.

It's the sort of thing they probably do in places like NK, or the Third Reich, you don't expect it to come from a supposedly modern, non imperialist nationalistic nation, ya know? :-(

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 month ago (13 children)

I said it once, I say it again. Why the Flag? I don't get it. Why not the Constitution? The Flag changed so many Times in US history.

Is there an actual reason or just because the flag is a more visual Token for loyalty?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago (1 children)

The visual qualities are exactly the point.

If you wave around the constitution, it's indistinguishable from some random bits of parchment. Most people can recognize their flag, even when it's flapping around and next to similar flags. Humans are just very visual creatures.

In either case, the pledge isn't actually to the object itself but to the country represented by that object.

The problem we have in the US is that Old Glory is commonly used to represent some particular group's vision of what the US should be rather than a symbol of the country as a whole. When that sort of change is broadly positive, such as when it started to become a symbol of American ingenuity in space, it's easy for everyone to rally behind. When it starts to symbolize a message like, "We should give the police unrestrained power." it becomes more divisive.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

Bullshit, I instantly could picture the declaration of independence, it is not a crazy symbol to use as noone has 400 year old parchment lieing around anymore.

I think theres an argument over which would be a more appropriate symbol but personally I think the nationalism stuff to be silly when theres not much the US has done to be proud of.

I'm proud of our younger generations. Do they have a flag?

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