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[–] [email protected] 99 points 1 month ago (13 children)

So we need the ECB to start QE in a big way to buy back government bonds. However the Saudis do not own too many.

We also have to go electric on transportation and that much much faster. Only a third of the EUs oil comes from the US and Norway. The rest comes from mainly dictatorships. Going green means supporting democracy. Staying on fossil fuels means supporting dictatorships.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago (9 children)

I’m in agreement, but who produces the batteries? China…

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 month ago (1 children)

There are a lot of battery factories being built in the EU right now. Even if they come from China, it is a one time purchase and not a total dependence.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

True, but right now, a lot of the resources come from China. Solar is also something that is mainly from China. EU dropped that ball pretty fast.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

This might change in the near future some time ago(not to sure how long exactly) I read an Article about a massive ore field of the resources needed for electrical components being discovered in ~~Denmark~~ Sweden.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Iirc: For certain materials like Lithium as well as Rare Earths, China basically has a monopoly on processing currently. E.g. with Lithium, Australia and Chile are major sources of the raw materials but virtually all of it is processed in China. Even if the raw materials come from the EU, there may be a major piece of the supply chain missing.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Okay, that's fair. I'm not entirely sure but I know that Intel is building a processing plant in Germany. I don't know if they use raw materials, or they also rely on other manufacturers to produce stuff for them.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Chip plants are another matter yet again. They usually work with silicon wafers into which they a chip surface.

I don't know where Intel get their materials from either. The silicon processing industry is largely Chinese againβ€”I think Western and Japanese countries do have the appropriate factories and technology too though.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

I just read, that TSMC also plans on creating a processing plant in Germany(near Dresden) so in the near future we might see chips made entirely in Europe.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

It was in Sweden. Denmark got jack shit when it comes to natural resources.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

Thanks. My comment got corrected.

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