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The US could have ended it 2 months ago, but instead it sends weapons and stops any international attempt at stopping it. It is complicit and all the resistance groups across the Middle East agree. US interests in the Middle East and military are legitimate targets. We can agree to disagree, but the US government will be held accountable for its war crimes.
As any nation/organization should be. The US is not exempt from international law, but fortunately has a remarkably solid argument in defense of its actions here.
Might is right is only a valid argument when you know you will never be weak. International Law applies equally to all otherwise.
It would be naive to think the strength of a nation in international relations is not a waxing/waning manor. It's of upmost importance to maintain policy that echos the opinions of a collective humanity.
Yet, the US-Israel acts with complete disregard to International Law and human values it as-if they will be strong forever.
Not true, the US and Israel act independently. Their democratic elections alter policy over time as new elected officials foster youthful debate and thus change officials policy. It's not a static system, but instead a dynamically evolving one.
Yet, the US is in complete lockstep defending Israel, regardless of which party voted in and regardless of which International law Israel is violating.
Honest question, do you know that you are lying? The connection between US financial, military and political support and Israeli crimes against Palestinians is clear to the whole world.
The US supports a 2 state solution and provisions for humanitarian aid due to the atrocities committed by both Hamas and the IDF. The US favors peace and stability.
If the US ever favoured peace and stability it would have had the 2-state solution done in the 1990s. The US always wanted the conflict to be a managed conflict, but never ending.
While the US has its stated policy, it cannot interfere with sovereign authority without unilateral justification. A 2 state solution needs agreement from Palestinians and Israelis alike. I truly hope this can come to fruition to end the needless loss of life.
do you think this also applies to the Donetsk Republic?
The Donetsk Republic is not a sovereign nation and has never been recognized to be.
It is and has been recognized.
What international body has recognized this separatist movement?
The UN charter gives them the right to self determination. As a Russian minority in a majority-Ukrainian state they have the right to do so.
It's possible an separate representing body could be a part of a Ukrainian republic. That's an interesting thought and I'd love to discuss it further!
The only discussion the West understands is at the end of a gun barrel. Otherwise nothing but hypocrisy and double standards.
I mean imagine if I said "It’s possible an separate representing body could be a part of the Russian Federation. That’s an interesting thought and I’d love to discuss it further!" about Ukraine.
Kazakhstan mean anything to you?
Yes. My country is building a major renewable project there
"Acwa Power to build 1GW wind energy plant in Kazakhstan" https://www.agbi.com/articles/acwa-power-to-build-1gw-wind-energy-plant-in-kazakhstan/
"Saudi Arabia collaborates with Kazakhstan to improve energy partnership" https://www.arabnews.com/node/2320786/business-economy
Excellent, renewable energy is the way of the future. Now give back the land and reaffirm Kazakh soverignty.
When did Saudi Arabia take any Kazakh land?
I'll admit, you stumped me. Point me towards where I can read about Saudi involvement in Kazakhstan.
You brought it up
They support energy cooperation, sounds like a win-win.
Of course. Unlike the US, Saudi Arabia is actually serious about climate change.
The US has been making substantial steps towards reducing emissions. The amount of money funding fusion research right now is incredible! My brother currently works for a private fusion research company and getting to tour was a thrill in itself!
That’s not even true
Environmentalists slam Biden admin's oil and gas auctions during COP28 https://www.axios.com/2023/11/29/biden-administration-oil-gas-lease-auctions-cop28
The US is biggest emitter and producer and will only be more so under Biden’s plan
More planned future emissions too
Biden's build back better plan is working towards meeting COP climate goals. Not sure how you can argue otherwise, but please discuss to enlighten me!
I’m betting you my second house that in 10 years there will still be no high speed rail. Even the amount set aside for local manufacturing is paltry next to what the US sends to Israel to bomb Palestinians.
Your country exists to serve Israel not you.
I've personally seen the infrastructure build out for HSR, it's progressing remarkably fast. Almost all of the at grade crossings are nearing completion for the San Joaquin valley corridor! Exciting news!
Who are you lying to? This is just sad. Egypt will have a HSR before you do, but at least people in the US can console themselves that their government is sending billions to “defend freedom and democracy”.
That's fine, the rate of development is rapid given the geographic, political, and private property questions involved. It's a unique process, but one that I fully support and am happy to see quickly roll out!
Do you know that it has been “coming soon” since 2008?
I understand you have nothing left but optimism, but come on be realistic.
Do you understand what it takes to make an Engineering project tick? Also theses plenty of more red tape around the US rollout of HSR than the alternatives you presented.
Yes, central planning and budgeting.
People in the US assume the rest of the world is a lawless hell hole when many countries including China have stronger protections against eminent domain.
The real reason you haven’t gotten HSR isn’t technical, is political. Israel has first-dips on the US budget. Reminds me of something someone I knew used to say: “the American will sell his kids before cutting aid to Israel”.
I mean I brought up the political aspect. The auto manufacturers and oil lobby have their own input in democratic discourse.