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Nothing defensive about it. Israel is the aggressor and the US is the enabler.
Sounds like we can agree to disagree, there's nothing wrong with that when democracy reigns!
Being genocided isn't a disagreement. It is amazing how you can be so racist and defend bombardment against the Palestinians in particular but oppose it against the Ukrainians.
I haven't brought race into this discourse and plan to keep it that way. This is discussing country policy decisions.
but racism explains why you are defending a genocide against the Palestinians. You would be singing a completely different tune if the people being murdered were relatively civilized relatively european.
where does your double standards come from, unless you don't see the Palestinians as equally humans?
I disagree, the promotion of a 2 state solution in Israel parallels the states policy for the protection of Ukrainian sovereignty.
So you agree with Russia annexing parts of Eastern Ukraine? Just looking for consistency.
No, I disagree with any form of forced annexation. Hench the support of a 2 state solution in Israel and the protection of Ukrainian sovereignty.
but the 2-state solution itself is annexation. If you are okay with it in Palestine then you should be okay with it in Ukraine. Otherwise you are being a hypocrite either due to historical ignorance or racism.
Please explain to me how a 2 state solution is in affect, annexation?
They say a picture is worth a thousand words. All the dots on this map are ethnically cleansed Palestinian towns and villages. If this happening to the Palestinians is okay with you, being forced from their homes with no right to return, then it happening to the Ukrainians should also be okay with you.
The US recognizes these attrocities and thus favors a 2 state solution to end this war and preexisting conflict.
The US does not recognize these atrocities and never did. If it had, it would have bombed Tel Aviv decades ago, or at least sanctioned them instead of sending them billions in aid.
Two wrongs do not make a right. The US favors a 2 state solution.
That's your opinion but if you will die on the hill of "Two wrongs do not make a right" then apply it to east Ukraine and let Russia keep it.
Fortunately the defense of sovereign Ukrainian territory is not a wrong. The UN backs this claim directly in its charter.
And Hamas and other Palestinian resistance groups are legitimate per the UN charter yet you called them terrorists. You aren't consistent.
Terrorism and resistance groups are not mutually exclusive.
Neither is racism and imperialism. Isn't it ironic that the countries that don't recognize Palestine are the same countries that consider Hamas terrorists. Almost like they are racist and imperialist.
Hamas has committed terrorist acts. It'd be naive to think they don't support terrorism. Frankly it was the spark that started the most recent developments with the conflict.
Again, more ignorance. Not only being racist to 87% of the world population who don't see Hamas as terrorists. But also completely disregarding and ignoring the context that led Hamas to respond on October 7th. Do you even know why it was called Operation Al-Aqsa Flood?
This happened on October 4th! Worshippers were attacked in Al-Aqsa Mosque https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/10/4/israeli-settlers-storm-al-aqsa-mosque-complex-on-fifth-day-of-sukkot
Typical racists, always ignoring that they attacked first, and only focusing on the response.
It's clear the intentions were to strike terror in an effort to bring attention to the apartheid. This does not detract from the fact that it was still terrorism.
Nelson Mandela was a terrorist while the KKK is a tax-exempt religious organization. Your definition of terrorism is racist, and boils down to "when non-whites fight back".
US policy towards the apartheid in South Africa changed over the years. This highlights the importance of being open minded!
The US supported apartheid in South Africa until the bitter end, even when the rest of the world stood in opposition to it. Nelson Mandela was considered a terrorist until 2008.
Your government gets a lot wrong. So I can safely ignore it.
The beauty of a democratic government is the nature of shifts in policy. It may not be able to act as swiftly as an authoritarian regime, but it does allow all sides to get their time to share input. I've never claimed the US to be the arbitor of morality, they've made their fair share of mistakes. Fortunately the democratic process allows us to Garner a better understanding as a whole, and thus work towards the solutions that being forth the most common good. Very utilitarian in nature.
Enjoy your democracy while I enjoy my high speed rail. At least until Israel orders you to bomb us.
After traveling to the US once and actually having the Acela train I was on die during the trip, is plenty of argument against whatever political system you have
Watch Saudi's HSR and weep https://youtu.be/uXtaWSnmvTg
High Speed Rail is in a Renaissance phase here in the US, it's incredibly exciting! I'm not sure how this fits the current discourse here though.
My brother in Zeus. Saudi's HSR started after and finished before California's HSR. Your government would sooner loot the project for copper wires and steel beams to sell, so that it has money to send to Israel, than allow it to finish.
Your entire government's purpose is to finance and aid Israel, everything else is coincidental.
Well there's a difference in governance. If the US was not a democracy with protections for private property, HSR would've likely been complete. Not to mention the vast differences in terrain which pose difficult engineering questions to be answered.
If the US is a democracy then explain this
Well more specifically it's a democratic republic, which would answer this question, however the future will likely bring change as votes are cast!
Ah yes just
harder sweaty. Pick from "War hawk cracker one" or "War hawk cracker two".
CLIMAX INTO THE BALLOT BOX.
Do the people know this?
I would hope so as it's a core part of the public curriculum!
And they still vote knowing this?
Absolutely, a vote is a vote and should be encouraged and protected as such.
Even a vote for a 3rd party candidate?
My vote for Bernie was counted, so yes even for a 3rd party candidate. It would be nice to work towards a proportional representative vote, some states have implement this, but I'd like to see it on the federal scale.