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[–] pm_me_some_serotonin 24 points 1 year ago (8 children)

If you look at land use maps, you will see that the urban areas are so small compared to the agricultural and livestock area needed to support the population. This is the biggest cause of deforestation, and population density actually makes it much worse, because it centralizes consumption and requires more logistic costs to deliver the needed food, with much higher rates of wastes. If we lived in less dense areas, perhaps we could do with local, smaller-scale agriculture instead.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Your take on urban density is wayyyyy off base and wrong.

The deforestation being a result of agricultural expansion to support a growing population is spot on.


Urban density increases the efficiency of logistics, you state it makes it worse. The cost-per-unit goes down as density goes up. Economies of scale apply here, logistics almost always becomes cheaper per unit the more of it you do. This applies to farming, transportation, processing, packaging...etc

[–] pm_me_some_serotonin 5 points 1 year ago

Logistics are something too complex. Your statement makes me think you're referring to a scenario with one source of a product and either one consumer area or several ones. In that cass, indeed, a more denser region would make it easier, but the scenario I described consists of production decentralized and closer to consumption, making logistics easier and cheaper, with fewer middlemen.

But maybe I didn't explain it all very well. I have a couple or articles bookmarked in my pc that I will link here when I have the chance.

I just hope my memory isn't playing tricks on me, because it so, it's gonna be really shameful lol.

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