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[–] [email protected] 144 points 11 months ago (47 children)

Every single study on UBI finds that it is a good idea that benefits both the recipients and society as a whole, but because it contradicts the dominant ideology it can't be allowed to happen.

[–] [email protected] 80 points 11 months ago (2 children)

If people aren't forced to work to live then how can I get cheap labor for my shitty business that my dad gave me?

[–] [email protected] 38 points 11 months ago (1 children)

If people have UBI, you can get away with paying less though. That's how walmart does it; just encourage your workers to get welfare so they stay alive enough to work more

[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago (1 children)

And that's honestly my proposal for it. Basically, create something like UBI (my preference is NIT) that ensures everyone is over the poverty level, eliminate minimum wage, and have benefits phase out for some reasonable definition of "living wage" (say, 2x the poverty level, maybe 3x).

Working would never make you worse off, and people wouldn't feel obligated to take crappy jobs if the pay isn't there.

We could also eliminate many other forms of welfare at the same time and just increase benefits accordingly.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago (2 children)

The only benefits that I think would have to stay, are those with "unlimited" downside, like healthcare.

UBI can potentially replace specific benefits for housing or general living expenses, but it can't really replace healthcare.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago

Agreed, I certainly wouldn't touch Medicare or Medicaid. I'd also probably leave unemployment insurance as is, and this would kick in afterward.

But I think it could replace Social Security, food assistance, housing assistance, etc. And I think we could fund it by lifting the income cap on Social Security, but I'd need to run the numbers to be sure.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago

I'd say some disability benefits as well. Simply getting by can be more expensive when you can't do basic tasks yourself, even if you have the best universal health care possible.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 11 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 17 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Which we all know would happen IMMEDIATELY in lockstep with any widespread rollout of UBI, and any complaint would be met with half the country screeching "FREE MARKET REEEEEE"

[–] [email protected] 20 points 11 months ago (3 children)

Guess we better institute rent controls first then

[–] [email protected] 14 points 11 months ago

Shut up baby I know it

Too bad 80% of the country would call us commies for suggesting it.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

That alone would be better than UBI.

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