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I wonder if this meme still applies to those who have fled communist countries?
Its kind of ironic that Lemmy was created to take away centralized power, but the same people want to create a communistic society which will...centralize the power?
Communism is not dictatorship Capitalism is not democracy
A lot of the people exiled from communist countries were the ones doing slavery and fucking over the working class max
I love how you can state basic facts, and a bunch of ex reddit libs swarm in to downvote.
I was thinking more so about the ~7,000 - 8,000 doctors since 2006 that defected from Cuba as soon as they were able to.
Are you referring to the loosely defined "kulaks" (wealthy peasants) that were exiled/killed when the Soviet Union was created?
Hmmm .....last I heard, Cuban doctors were showing the world how it's done.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1557950/
Did you read that link you posted? Lmao
If you get past the first paragraph, suddenly there's really no praising and they talk about how bad health care is in Cuba and how many try to defect as they are forced into horrible conditions.
From that article:
"He said, “We were placed in slums with a high level of violence, under constant monitoring by the Bolivarian brigades [political police], who are supposed to offer protection but also report any suspicious activities and assure that we carry out our `revolutionary' duty, indoctrinating our patients to vote for Chávez. If we refuse to do so we are sent back to Cuba.”"
Bolivian police and Chavez arent Cuban doctors.
It also says that they're suffering from medical supply shortage due to US trade embargoes; and this is from a US government (capitalist) health board sonof course it's unflattering. Now google "cuban doctors Nobel Peace prize".
I wouldn't doubt if a percentage were. But is Cuba keeping itself isolated to where people have to defect despite no active war or combat? The US has probably closer to a million doctors from outside the US. The US relies on immigration to survive with slowing population growth and an aging population.
It's very misleading to say that "Cuba is keeping itself isolated". Each year the UN votes to end the embargo/isolation imposed on Cuba by the US, with the vast majority of countries voting in favour of ending the blockade each time.
In the latest vote, in November, only Israel and USA voted against ending the blockade. Ukraine abstained. 187 member states voted in favour of ending the blockade
Make no mistake, the US is what has kept Cuba unjustly isolated for the past decades. Source: https://news.un.org/en/story/2023/11/1143112
The US sees anything that could shake their narrative of the world as a threat, even when that 'threat' is unfounded, and they massively abuse their economic and military power around the globe to keep others in line.
Are you saying I said what you quoted?
Because I am implying what you are saying by asking about the Cuban embargo being imposed on Cuba.
I'm not a native English speaker, so there may be some nuance I miss out on. But as far as I can tell, the implication of what you wrote was
I have good knowledge on point 1, limited knowledge on points 2&4, and somewhat decent info about point 2. I'm not disputing points 2,3&4.
Some real death of the author type shit. I said only number 4 and I agree with your positions. I'm sure you know that questions aren't statements.
I am disagreeing with them about Cuban doctors. I think the Cuban embargo is an atrocity and a disgrace and that the US (as an American) has many doctors from different nations so why does the small number of Cuban doctors matter.
Again, the only implication you listened that's true is number 4 and that's because it's not an implication, I actually said that.