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[–] [email protected] -1 points 6 months ago (25 children)

In any nation with first past the post elections, like the United States, Leftists have exactly one rational voting strategy:

Step 1. Identify the two front-runner parties, and determine which of the two is further left relative to the other.

Step 2. Vote for that party in every single election (don't forget midterms and local elections). Encourage everyone you know to do the same.

Step 3. Once the (relative) left party has an overwhelming majority (over 2/3) and the relative right party becomes vanishingly irrelevant (under 1/3), then split the (relative) left party into its own relative left and right.

Step 4. Repeat steps 1-3 with these new front-runner parties.

Step 5. Iterate step 4 until your relative left party passes election reform such that elections are no longer susceptible to Duverger's Law.

Certainly try to push for reform within the relative left party between elections and during primaries, but at the ballot box the above is the only rational strategy. Voting third party, or refusing to vote the lesser evil, is not a rational strategy.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 months ago (3 children)

What I fail to understand Is how will you split the left party (step 3).
Do citizens in the US can choose what candidates the parties push forward?
If not: Why would the left party propose leftier candidates? They know that as long as their guy is not as "bad" as the competition you will vote for them and they are "sponsored" by the same corporations which dont like leftist policies.
Theres no incentive for them to turn further left; Is it?

[–] [email protected] -1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (2 children)

Voting third party splits the vote. Once over 2/3s of voters are voting for the left party, voters can comfortably vote for a more progressive party without worrying about vote splitting. For example, if Democrats consistently get 70% of the vote, progressive voters can rally behind a progressive party. It's not that you're actually splitting the Democratic party, you're just splitting the voters between the Democratic and Progressive parties.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 months ago (1 children)

That kinda makes sense, but for the dems to consistently get 70 what needs to change is the political views of the voters, right? For that to happen they need to believe the dem party is actually the best option and for that to happen the dem party must lean way more left. But again; Why would they do that if you are already rewarding them for being "not as bad".

I forgot to mention before that you are basing this strategy on another fallacy. "First past the post" means nothing when hillary won the popular vote in 2016 and still lost the presidency.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 6 months ago

"First past the post" means nothing when hillary won the popular vote in 2016 and still lost the presidency.

The fact that the relevant electors are Electoral College members, and not the general population, doesn't change FPTP.

Further, the Dems are unambiguously the better option. Them not being good enough doesn't make than worse than Repubs. Expecting them to change is not a voting strategy. Running about it as "rewarding" them is counterproductive. What needs to change out is progressive turnout, Once we have the turnout then we can start talking about better alternatives to the Dems. Until then it's a moot point. Progressives refusing to settle for the lesser evil is why they don't have 70% representation

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