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This is the place for discussing the potential collapse of modern civilization and the environment.

Collapse, in this context, refers to the significant loss of an established level or complexity towards a much simpler state. It can occur differently within many areas, orderly or chaotically, and be willing or unwilling. It does not necessarily imply human extinction or a singular, global event. Although, the longer the duration, the more it resembles a ‘decline’ instead of collapse.

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I’m a climate scientist. If you knew what I know, you’d be terrified too (edition.cnn.com)

submitted 5 months ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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Editor’s Note: Bill McGuire is professor emeritus of geophysical & climate hazards at University College London and author of “Hothouse Earth: An Inhabitant’s Guide.”

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[–] [email protected] 88 points 5 months ago (14 children)

There are way too many things going to shit on this planet to single out one that I should be terrified about. It's just a homogenous gray mass of terror wherever I look.

[–] [email protected] 38 points 5 months ago (12 children)

Okay but... this is the one that legit may end human habitation on this planet. Ukraine, Gaza, even "but muh economy" and world-wide slavery all kinda pale by comparison.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

The difference is that this "may end", while Ukraine and Gaza are killing lots of innocents.

Also, we have the technological means to stop this one if we really want to. We just don't want to.

Aerosol spraying for $1B a year can buy time.

Spending $100B a year for a decade on nuclear power plants built to Chinese/Korean safety standards in addition to current spending on solar, wind and electrification can stop our emissions in two decades.

Which is why it is good that this author is writing this article. We must fight apathy against climate change.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago

And there should be capacity to do multiple things at once - e.g. lessen dependence upon Chinese computer chip manufacturing and curb Russian aggression for a fraction of the cost that it would have been later after it succeeded in conquering Ukraine and set some kind of limit on giving billions of aid to eliminate people living in Gaza and do some kind of absolute bare minimum effort to save the planet from our abuses of it.

[–] [email protected] -4 points 5 months ago (1 children)

100b will buy you nothing. That's like a tenth of Us military budget.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Indeed.

We can easily solve climate change if we are willing to spend a tenth on it compared to what we spend on defense.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago

Where did you get that number. It's obviously wrong.

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